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 Post subject: Re: NZCPR Feedback - TRIBALISM ON THE RISE 030711
PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:40 pm 
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Do you support the view of the Waitangi Tribunal that New Zealand should be co-governed by Maori and the Crown?


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*We need an indepth investigation of the Waipoua forest strutures in northland which are said to predate Maori. Rod

*It is embarrasing the way this country is developing. Ian

*It is racist. The country is only governed by one government representing all people. Henry

*Just stupidity is about time Maori learned they are only New Zealanders and nothing special at all. David

*If that is accepted then NZ ceases to be a democracy! Graham

*We protest about South Africa. This is just another way of Maori getting control of NZ. Joan

*We are a multi-cultural country that should be equal opportunity for everyone. We seem to be going backwards, not forwards with the division of Maori and everyone else! It seems convenient that Maori forget that most of them also have pakeha blood - you would think that they would like to merge the best of both races. Robyn

*Many years ago I marched against apartheid in SA. Now that we are very racist I'm looking at other countries such as Thailand as a place to retire to. Peter

*No comment I make would be strong enough to convey my feelings on this. Barry

*1000's of people were here before the so called 6or7 waka arrived, what a typical maori elite ripoff. Ray

*We need to find a way to stop this nonsense once and for all. The Treaty gravy-train needs to be derailed, the Maori seats done away with and special opportunities for Maori only removed. Maori need to learn to live on equal terms with all others in our society, without the crutch of welfare, special grants and privileges. Greg

*Toooo- ridiculous to comment on. Louise

*A complete nonsence. Chris

*I whole heartily agree with Muriel Newman's and David Round's view points. Ron

*Enough is enough - Australia is looking looking better all the time. Where will it all end? We have to be clear that this cannot carry on. Bill

*Absolutely not! Let's keep it real for the 21st century instead of all this myth and legend tribalistic nonsense which is dragging NZ backwards fast. Will someone please tell John Key & C. Finlayson the truth about the non- partnership Treaty? Monica

*Settlers in NZ entered into an agreement in 1840 which has never been revoked. This decision flows from that earlier one. NZ is unique in that it wasn't settled by conquest, but by a binding treaty. Bruce

*We elect a government for all NZ'ers including Maori no need for separate Representation. Terry

*To even imagine co-government would be to open wide the door to greed, deceit and a new of Mafia to rule. Cecelia

*Absolutely not! Remember: before the White Man, Maori hadn't even invented the wheel! It would be nice to hear a 'thank you' occasionally for the many positive things brought to this country! Cheryl

*Not if we don't wish to live in the 18th century, where superstition, myth, barbarity,ignorance, enslavement & cannibalism.
However, on the other hand, I'm a good shot with a Blackpowder musket & pistol, although my cutlass skills are a trifle rusty. Dave

*One of the "layers" that's been "added" to the Treaty of Waitangi is that of "partnership". Where does it say that in the actual document? The so-called Treaty claims are increasingly dividing our nation, and the National-led government has got far too close to the Maori party, seemingly giving them all they ask for, often without letting the general public know - so much for transparency! Laurence

*What is now wrong with "one man one vote"?? Mike

*No way! We are one people. Stuff the part maoris and their blasted Taniwha!! Jim



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 Post subject: Re: NZCPR Feedback - TRIBALISM ON THE RISE 030711
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 7:45 pm 
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Do you support the view of the Waitangi Tribunal that New Zealand should be co-governed by Maori and the Crown?


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*Proportional Representation shouldn't just mean party views but also the views of voting individuals. The greater number want NZ to be governed fairly - with all citizens having equal rights, and without any sort of elite. Beverley

*Absolutely Not!!! When is the tail going to stop wagging the dog? Maurice

*Absolutely not! NZ will stand or fall as one country. If we keep heading down this current road of division, we will effectively be the authors of our own demise. Michael

*There's no true maoris left they are like me made of mixed bloods. Wayne

*In the Christian life, "there is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male or female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus". (Gal.3:28.) Unity in Christ transcends ethnic, social and sexual distinctions. Outside of Christ you will only end up in confusion, contention,pride and rebellion. So New Zealand, its time to follow your Christian roots. The Christian covenant is higher than the Waitangi Treaty, and over rules it ;Why?...because it's built on the premise of loving oneanother, not devouring one another...Max

*You must be kidding, we should be one people. Ian

*New Zealand should be governed with the interest of all New Zealanders in mind, not just a minority. Jennifer

*NZ will become like South Africa if we allow this nonsense to flourish. Barbara

*If the proposals are agredd to NZ will be further down a road where saying NO to this sort of thing becomes inceasingly difficult. But where to find politicians with sufficient back bone to say NO and lead NZ to a non racial society and constitution? I fear for the future of this country. Martin

*Which Maori? Ian

*As it is at present it is a Kangaroo court. Brian

*Definately NO to any form of co-governance. What is going on? Neil

*Absolutely not. One goverment for all NZ. Derek

*I'm sick and tired of the "you owe us" mentality that has become so prevalent in this country. Deirdre

*Apartheid is alive and well and is continuing to grow in New Zealand. Adele

*Elected govt only. Vern

*One country - one people - one government. Wally

*No. Maori elite are a greedy race and its showing now more than ever and it has to stop!!! Steve

*No, and this is the reason I am voting for Winston Peters to stop the apartheid that is starting to run rampant in New Zealand. Jack

*Absolutely not. There is no mandate for the Government to even indicate it could consider such abdication of its decision making powers. Alan

*This nonsense of partnership and co-management is a revisionist scam and must be challenged and defeated on every front as soon as possible. John

*It is time that our Government and its advisors opened their eyes to the massive future racial problem they are creating, and revered the trend. Murray

*This is the road oblivion. Unless the people of NZ can rail against this nonsense then this country will descend into racial turmoil. Greg

*Absolutely not. It is madness to take ANY of it seriously. Politicians note! Barrie

*Apartheid. Richard

*No 1 - We have no Maori as such in NZ what we have a group of part Maori who in the majority are more white than brown. My question is how can they with a clear concions rob one hand to pay the other? As an older New Zealander I find the road that we have been going down for the last 30 years a disaster. It has certainly built up a racist belief in me as we see this country being raped by one sector but yet the average Maori is not getting any thing out of all this money greed - I know because I work with many of them in their poverty, so those at the head of the gravy train must be feeling quiet smug. Russell

*We are all New Zealanders, not maori, indian etc. Simply a New Zealander. Llewellyn

*Because it is time that Maori realised they agreed to the Treaty and are in the minority in this country. We are all tired of their incessant demands while they make little effort to improve themselves. Katherine

*I hope John Key gets some sense before the Maoris destroy this country. Robert

*Everyone in NZ has the same opportunities and rights. It is just another form of racialism which we should be trying to eradicate. I do not believe we should have "Maori" seats or "Maori" universities either. The playing field should be level. Sandy

*The true Maori elite are all in OZ & the dregs are holding us in NZ to ransom! John & Hanneke

*I believe that if you devide the country on racial grounds, that can only lead to trouble. I wish I had never voted for these gutless Nats. Jim

*There can only be one rule of law. That is one law for all, end of story. The Maori seats in Parliament must go, the Waitangi Tribunal abolished. The Maori statuary board abolished. Only when we have banished this racism and tribalism will N.Z. become a Nation. One Law for all. Michael

*Definately not. We should take back the taxpayer assetts that weak kneed governments have illegally given to maori tribes. There was never a referendum to ask the citizens of this nation if they wanted to offer any gifts to Maori. I am sick and tired of all the whinging so and sos. Pat

*Another lunatic idea. John

*I consider that this situation is occurring because those with ultimate authority to decide are placing self-interest above the social well-being of the majority of New Zealanders - this early and tentative process is now gaining momentum against the wishes of the majority. Unless the majority voice is heard and acted upon, we will continue to travel the path towards critical mass and its inevitable consequences. Barry

*As indicated in the article there is no end to the grasping greed of iwi. David

*No no noway..we are being used by the greedy grabbing, divisive, so called "friends". Where is our privileges. Jane



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 Post subject: Re: NZCPR Feedback - TRIBALISM ON THE RISE 030711
PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 8:15 pm 
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Do you support the view of the Waitangi Tribunal that New Zealand should be co-governed by Maori and the Crown?


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*Since the signing of the Treaty Maori have done nothing for New Zealand except manipulate the Treaty to gain money from the taxpayer. Maori have done little to improve themselves particularly with regard to education, social behaviour and crime.
This is not a suitable criteria for good government. Peter

*The Crown is responsible for representing all New Zealanders interests. One group of NZers should not be given rights over others. Sue

*Maori are just people ... a lot of them excessively primitive and obnoxious. Much of the time I am hard pressed to even contemplate them as equals, nevermind superior. Maori Elite always sounds very awkward to me. An oxymoron if you will! I wish you would stop using the term as it is a nonsense. Having said that I feel huge sympathy for the many, many really first class folk who have the misfortune to be born Maori. It causes them much embarrassment and shame whilst they are striving manfully to raise decent, self reliant and upstanding families, just like everyone else. Except ... they have these hysterical, primitive, greedy, obnoxious, unprincipled theives and criminals who claim to represent them. Co-governance ... NO!!!! NEVER!!! That's a seriously stupid notion. Dianna

*Yes, but just how can the rest of the apathetic public of this country recognise that this legislation is a basic error of judgement? When over the last five to six decades we have been indoctrinated with a revisionist anti settler and an anti colonial European hysteria! Now it is regretfully, an established part of conventional media outpourings; together with a misplaced Nationalist Indigenous sentiment that all Maori problems have emanated from European pioneer occupation.
Couple this with the serious political fact that in order to govern, the incumbent elected party has to further this policy to retain power. Despite the very obvious fact that all Maori financial settlements, are in reality a “Danegeld”.
This policy is financially draining on our economy, and in the end self defeating, not to mention racially intolerant.
Eventually the wheel will turn full circle, but in the present world the “United Nations Policy” follows an established popular anti western line. That Western Civilisation has been, and still is, responsible for all the ills and oppression which continue to dominate third world nations. Brian

*Being self employed with my husband and employing seven people, we are now seriously thinking of getting out of New Zealand. Australia is looking better by the day. How will Maori support itself once all the income earners leave our shores? Delwyn

*What a load of rubbish . Graeme

*Since when does 14.6% have equal rights with 85.4%. We have to stop this garbage. Don Brash, where are you?? Ronmac

*This is the road to a culture of entitlement based on race and distorted sense of having special rights. This is the road to division, resentment and corruption. New Zealand deserves better. JJ

*Enough is enough. Johanna

*This appeasement nonsense will never end. Ron

*Treaty Article 2, the one most used by Maori, includes "all the people of NZ." Article 3 says, "Maoris to be given the Same rights as the people of England. Maori could not gain exclusive privilege from our Treaty as none are available. It has been proven we have only one Treaty, Maori. George

*NO NO NO NO. Maori are so greedy they would not be happy just to co-govern! Pamela

*Definitely NOT and it is time the govt put a stop to all this and have one contry for all who live here. Judith

*It gets more bizarre with every turn in the road! John Key sure opened a can of worms and sadly I don't think we can push them back in the can now. Maureen

*I didn't emigrate to South Afrika because appartheid. Why should we create appartheid in NZ? Peter

*There seems to be only one political party fighting this rubbish. The Act party. Ian

*God help us as no-one else will! Patricia

*We should all be treated equally. Why should those persons who claim to have a drop of Maori blood in them be raised to a special status??? Where to draw the line??? We should all be treated as equals. Land claims are being settled and we should all be treated equally after that. David

*Bloody disgrace. David

*I believe that if we have special Maori seats in our parliament, then there is already co-governance with Maori and the crown. We now have two Maori parties, so I do not see any reason for another organiswation to give Maori yet more privilege over all other races. Time to say enough is enough. Dorothy

*The (Tribal) tribunal is racist. Tim

*I am part Maori and am sick of listening to racist debate when we are all New Zealanders. There are marvelous opportunities for all of us in NZ, providing we are prepared to work hard. Brian

*Maori should not be granted special consideration in any legislation. Peter

*Stuff the Maoris. Graham

*We elect the government to govern - it's a pity they often forget that once they get to power and do their own thing - where is their mandate for co-governance with Maori, or any with any one else. Ivan

*Their guardianship of fauna must not be that of the Moa. Bruce

*No, no, no. When will this carry on finally end and we can get on being one nation with many races. I would tell them to whuck off and pull their heads in. Tim

*Seperate development has no place in this country. Jens



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 Post subject: Re: NZCPR Feedback - TRIBALISM ON THE RISE 030711
PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 7:26 pm 
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Do you support the view of the Waitangi Tribunal that New Zealand should be co-governed by Maori and the Crown?


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*I'm so sickened by the racism, race-based privilege & extortion of the NZ people by Maori "elite". Gangs & thugs that carry guns but law abiding citizens can't legally defend themselves or their families against these aggressors. I'm so disgusted I left NZ for the USA 11 years ago & have no plans to return. Craig

*As a 1840 New Zealander am sick of what maori need to exist - let them pay for all these new commitees and language training for teacher the tax payer is tired of it all do they ever praise the govn. for what help they get? Beth

*Darwin had it right when he labelled Maori as the most despicable race he had encountered, with a culture based on cannibalism and slavery...Christopher

*Adopt Don Brash's policies! Lets keep promoting them. David

*This is a nonsense. Think it is time to leave these fair shores!!! Lynn

*The Maori in the treaty of Waitangi ceded governance to the Queen. Ted

*Maori have been pandered to far to much. White working population are being treated like suckers. It's time for a backlash against the half pie Maori radicals. Ian

*I feel sick when I read your weekly briefing but thank you for your effort to bring to peoples attention the fact that this country is basically stuffed racially and that there will shortly be no reason for any non maori to bother to stay here. I sometimes wonder if my ancesters should have stayed in England. Albyn

*How can NZ attract and retain good immigrants, with this sort of preposperous nonsense being preposed. George

*This absolute madness, it will further devide our nation. We are being conned by some clever maori activists. In most cases maori dont know how or an inclination to care about their land. It normally justs grows noxious weeds. 99% of maori wouldn't know a native plant if they tripped over them. Fraser

*We ALL arrived by boat. What is the meaning of indigenous??? Wayne

*I think it is time Maori showed a little gratitude for the large amount of money they have received over the years at the expense of the taxpayers of this country - enough is enough! Jan

*A wise teacher once told me the story of a wealthy man who picked up a pretty girl from the side of the road. As they drove along in his late model Rolls Royce he asked her if she would sleep with him for 10 million dollars. She agreed. He then asked her if she would sleep with him for 5 dollars. Indignant, she angrily said, "What do you think I am?" He replied, "We have already established that, now all we have to do is haggle over the price." I wonder how strongly these Maori spiritual views are held in the absence of money. David

*All it takes for evil to triumph, is for good people to do nothing! Des

*Maori should not be treated any differently from all NZer's.The Waitangi Tribunal should be finished.Crown should be only governing body. Someone should also get on to TVNZ and make them stop pandering to some 'Maori', especially Hone Hawera. I was very angry with TV1 at news time yesterday giving him a special interview about Maori language. Elsie

*One country one people same rights for all. Carmen

*You still haven't answered my question of last time - is the referendum to be binding or not? Chris

*Maori are the most racist people on Earth. John

*Well past time we put a stop to the greed of this elite Maori Mafia. Les

*It's about time there is an end and NZ could go forward as one. Brian

*All New Zealanders should have equal rights. Murray

*When are we going to have a Gov. that will stand up against this stupidity. Tracy

*If this Waitangi bullshit is not stopped soon we will be a Third World Country. James

*Let us abandon all this black magic stuff! Whenthe rubbish is out of the way we might see a clear route ahead. Walter

*How insane - as if this country wasn't already in enough trouble. When is it going to stop? Imagine if the majority of hard working Nz'ers out there (including the maori non corporate iwi)decided to mass immigrate to Aussie - this country wouldn't survive and with no tax papyers to support a constant stream of race based claims they would have to go back to living the way they did over 200 years ago ... I always think it's funny how rugby is not a part of Maori culture and yet the English do not demand royalties or permission for them to form a Maori National side ... the "NZ Eureopean" wouldn't dare form a "pakeha" only team, that would just be straight out racist wouldn't it? Am fast growing sick of the way this country is going, really sad as it has always had the potential to be one of the best places on earth to raise a family - unless we get some strong leadership in place to get NZ as a whole back on track, me and many others I know will be making the move and leaving them to fight it out amoungst themselves :( Julie

*No way. They get far too much already. Frank

*It's time to get rid of the Tribunal. What was set up to do good, is now doing great harm. Steve

*When is our government going to stop supporting these maori in their claimes. They make a big thing about being the indiginous people, this is just rubbish as their forbears imigrated to NZ from somewhere else the same as my great grandparents imigrated from Ireland in 1840. They have no more rights than the rest of us. Max

*New Zealand should be governed by the Crown on behalf of all New Zealanders. Chris

*They can't control their own race much less the taniwha dreams of a stone age people. Roy

*It's time to say NO to the Maori demands. David

*If the politicians do not show some spine the people may have to do with out them. Peter

*This will lead to apartheid with all its ugliness. Eric

*I am sick of being looked at as a sub species by the most cosseted native race that has ever been subjected to colonial rule. Donald

*In this case 'govern' means 'grab'. Phil

*We are all New Zealanders with equal rights. We must defend these rights rigourously. Terry

*Tribalism is a cancer that eats at the very fabric of democratic societies. When some are 'more equal' than others there eventually results a backlash where tribalism is swept away. Tribal elites are nothing more than a bunch of power and money hungry scam merchants and the people of NZ are fools in pandering to these low lifes. Peter

*I am dismayed at the erosion of our democracy that will end in strife for us all. I have not worked all my life for the shambles that is becoming New Zealand. Rod

*Act. Bash with Brash. Years ago the late Stuart Scott from Dunedin (similar age to Brash, at that time) got it right. But the liberals climbed all over him and ended that debate. Maori are supported to the hilt by the white liberal PC brigade. They can't be underestimated and they are in bed with Maori. Brash is the man for our time. He says it the way it is without mallice. Something the Libs and ellitist Maori seem unable to do. Cyril

*No the Crown is doing a good job for all New Zealanders and is guided by the British constitution methods which is the best organised society in the world. Ann



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*The Treaty doesn't prescribe co-governance or maori sovereignty, so why are we touching the forelock of racism in politics. John Key needs to put his smooth smile and approach to a more gutsy issue like getting real with the race based industries springing up since he went into coalition with the maori party. Graham and Jan

*This is totally unbelievable. We need to halt this very dangerous desire to divide our country. We should be equal and nothing else is acceptable. When will the Government wake up that when you give an inch the separatists will take more and more. This racist nonsense must be stopped dead in its tracks. However, I won't hold my breath because our politicians seems to have lost their sanity!! B + H

*How absolutely ridiculous! - as I said in an earlier posting we need to have a plebiscite - not yet another Commission of Enquiry or whatever. First acknowledge that sovereignty resides in the People of this country - not the Crown (a legal fiction), Parliament and definitely NOT Maori (how many genuine ones are left anyway - most of the grant-grubbers on the news seem to have European names!) The Swiss system seems to work - if they can do it so can we! Scott & Oriole

*The answer is for us all to stake our claim as INDIGENOUS which we ARE!!! Maori only drifted here 3-400 yrs before my ancestors sailed here==they could also sail back!!!! Warwick

*Maori? What Maori? Alwyn

*Well it looks like we are already Governed by the Maori elite. Carl

*We have enough difficulty getting representative government under the present set up, without giving a 15% minority 50% of the power. David

*This country is well on it's way to a very dark (no pun intended) and scary place. The only people to blame for this are ourselves. Robert

*Definitely not. We are all NZers so its time we atopped giving into so much of what the Maoris want to take. We should all be treated equally. Ali

*I believed Maori ceded sovereignty to the Queen! What's all this ridiculous nonsense the Horis are coming up with now?Surely idiot Key and his nitwit offsider Finlayson won't go this far. Bill

*We're well down the road to institutionalised apartheid - 2faced Minto take note! Bryan

*Is there no end to this race-based nonsense? Tony

*One country. One people. One govt. Stan

*This is madness - we are purportedly supposed to be 'one' country - what a laugh....Cathy

*Absolutely no need for Maori involvement other than at the polling booth. Peter

*No comment req'd surely!!!! Mike

*No is not strong enough to express the opposition that should be given to this absurd report. Enough of this crass stupidity. Chris

*What can one say !!!! Neville

*Absolutely NOT!!!!! Modi's have no more right to representation our parliament than any other NZer. If they as a group of NZers want representation then get onto the level playing field that the rest of NZ is on & get elected on each individual candidates own personal qualities. Hang on tho', that means they'd all have to get onto the same page & agree with each other!!!! No wonder they need their Kangaroo Court (alias the Waitangi Tribunal). Get rid of Modi special seats in parliament, get rid of MMP where you can get into parliament by sucking up to people in power, get rid of UN-elected( List)MP's, & get rid of any system in parliament that allows a small minority to get it's way by blackmailing the majority party in the house. The sooner all the myths of the supposed "official" treaty are dispelled by resurrecting the last official english language version of the treaty that Hobson had Busby write before it was translated into the Modi language & see how this final English version (the Littlewood copy that resides in the National Archive, with VERY little publicity!!!) stacks up against todays version according to the Kangaroo Court. ONE set of rules for ALL NZ'ers and no bloody apartheid in New Zealand!!!!!! Dave

*I just cannot understand how the general population put up with all this C**p. Our biggest enemy is weak apathetic people who do not have the balls to stand up and say NO! To the Race monster that is out of control in this country. Euan

*The quicker we are regarded as NZers the better. One people!! Brian

*If this country wants to get ahead in this world , the only way out of this quagmire is to put this 'Treaty of Waitangi' where it belongs: Into a MUSEUM!!!! Abolish the Tribunal and establish a Republic. If Maoris have a claim , send them to London. That's where they find the 'Crown'. Michael

*As everything is biased towards maori already. God help us if this came into being. One thing maori is very good at is racist seperatism just like South Africa. Ron

*No - but your article is selectively biased. A ballanced commentary would have much more credibility. John



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*This whole scenario of Maori demanding special and preferential rights makes it all the more imperative that we take a stand and throw out the politicians who have gone along with this so far. Who are these "Maori" making these claims? Full blooded, half blooded, one tenth blooded or what? How many actual people do they genuinely represent as opposed to the number they pretend to represent? So these Maori are making these claims. When and how do the rest of us get our wishes and opinions listened to? As I've said on other posts we need Swiss Style Direct Democracy and we need it sooner rather than later. It won't suit the politicians and their buddies but I'm sure it will suit us Joe Bloggs citizens out here who are either being ignored or treatred with contempt. Denis

*Pacific people (other than Maori) plus Asians, now greatly outnumber Maoris. Wont "one person-one vote" take care of this stupidity? Porgy

*"ABSOLUTELY NOT" why are your letters or similar articles on the subject never reported in the papers to reach a wider public audience so the majority of people are made aware of what is going on behind the scenes. Clark

*It is long overdue time now to disband the Tribunal and end all claims and MOVE FORWARD as ONE PEOPLE. Lee

*We will never have agreement while there is talk of maori and pakeha. To be a people with equal rights, we must be called one people, New Zealanders. Malcolm

*Horotiu the Taniwha as the next PM perhaps? John Key his first meal? Heke

*What a load of rubbish! It would only create more demands and division within NZ. Pam

*This will effectively split the country. Maoris versus everybody else.Hone Harawira must be very happy. EJ

*This country is so racist that it is beyond a joke. We need a strong leader who will so no to this sort of maori rubbish and have rights for ALL people not just a select few. Chris

*They want one people provided we are all brown. Murray

*Hell no. I dont like apartheid systems...sooo wrong on sooo many levels. I'm with my husband vote out MMP!!! Lil

*I would like to see all New Zealanders have equal status under the law-not be a racialist country. Charlotte

*It must be democratic. Miles

*They should have sent Maori back to where they came from when the Europeans arrived in this country. They are a serious impediment to progress in NZ. Mike

*How can i make the word no!!!! bigger. John

*Better stop this stupidity noww. National and labour have been feding this nonsense with our hard earned money. And unless they stop. there will be serious civil strife. Lech

*This and the ongoing wave of crazy Maori claims must be stopped. Having a minister of treaty settlements that we have gives me no comfort. Its like keeping a fox in the chicken house. Brian

*How stupid do maori think we are, the respect for maori is quickly disappearing. Arthur

*One country, one set of rules. Bruce

*This is ridiculous and is making our country even poorer. We are all NZders and a stop should be made here and now otherwise we will land up just like Africa.SA was condemmed for its so called "apartheid" and this is nothing else than "apartheid". Joan

*LIKE HELL. Kerry

*This is why I sold up everything and now live in the Philippines. The mixed blood so called Maori stirrers can all go to hell. They are a conquered race and should behave as such. Murray

*Why? We all live in the same country! Another way maori think they are better than everyone else! Jason

*Greed knows no bounds. Benjamin

*THE DEMANDS OF MAORI IN NZ KNOWS NO BOUNDS.NEW ZEALANDERS WAKE UP BEFORE ITS TOO LATE. BRIAN

*Anything that requires such cooperation is already covered by the treaty. Grahame

*Maori are a minority in this country yet they appear to be getting all the say of what happens here. They should stop being so racist and also stop ripping the people of New Zealand off. They have had millions given them over the years and yet they still want more - we cannot afford any more - stop the gravy train now!!! Bev

*How do we act to stop this nonsense. Writing letters to polititions is a complete waste of time. Alan

*Enough is enough. Time to acknowledge we are all New Zealanders and should have the same rights. No minority group should hold the majority to ransom!! Maggie

*Of course, no. But it will happen, because it suits the desires of the UN & their globalists masters to have it so. The racist, tribalist, money-grubbing "Maori elite" are nothing more than duped pawns in the plans of those who run the planet, not a TPLAC off in the corner of the pacific... Peter

*Get Real we are in the 21st Century. We are the only country still having to look back. Get Real. John

*Selective democracy? No way. Currently Maori already have special seats in government. These should be withdrawn. Participation in government should be non racial. Political opportunities for Maori should be the same as for anyone else that is the only democracy. John

*Long past time to abolish the Maori seats and the waitangi Tribunal. Richard

*I have had such a gutsful of this crap. Lets all leave and leave the Country to the Maoris. How much more are we expected to put up with. Imagine the shock I got when I read in The Gold Coast Bulletin that John Key was so popular he could Govern NZ on his own without any other party. He is Governing on his own now from what I can see with just a little persuasion from the Maori party. What the hell is wrong with NZ. When will the people wake up. Most of the Idiots dont even know what is going on they are so dumb and stupid. When they wake up it will be too late. But then again it is widely known the brains have left the country. Whoops, all except from us lot. Chris

*Equality for all New Zealanders, white and brown. Theo

*Please should a Maori be one with more than 50 % Maori blood?? Anyone else is double dipping. Jim

*The Waitangi Tribunal should be abolished. MMP should be abolished. Gutless politicians should be abolished. Sheila

*This is unbelievable, what next! The current political system is not working for hard working NZ'ers. Peter



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*We are tired of Maori demands. They are happy to accept what other NZers enjoy but still keep digging up the past mostly made up or exagerated. Mary

*This nonsense is increasing and the Auckland City Council should be ashamed. John

*If I could afford it I would permanantly depart this country for good or until it comes to its senses & gets rid of this divisive Treaty of Waitangi. Garth

*That would be worse than MMP. The next step would be dictatorship? Keith

*Wai 262 is this perhaps a Gulag designation number for the future of New Zealanders who may oppose being blackmailed. Who could possibly see this proposal for anything other than what it is, occupation by stealth. This country went viral over the anti smacking bill. That is a walk in the park compared to this undertaking. Unelected seats on Council, taniwha at every turn, wahi tapu on every site, and of course The Takutai Moana conversion. If you can persuade me to believe it is not an opportunity for some one to get a big drink from the outcome, then please try. In other words, tell me that there is not an elephant in the room. The media in any other country would be all over this. The Prime Minister and his Attorney General would be interviewed to the nth degree. What have our media focused on, whether a book can be published that sets out the facts in a case concerning the publishing of a book. Or driving in bus lanes. Wiremu

*One person, one vote! One law for all. Glenn

*This is simply getting out of control, when will it stop - this madness? John

*No No No...but like everything else we, the people lf all races, appear to have little say in how this country is managed. The road that Key has taken us down is the worst possible road for NZ. He is now trying to placate all by signing deals with India and China..well its too late...the door is well and truly open and will only end with a huge amount of non-Maori fleeing to other countries like Australia...where one may add that Maori live well and successfully in a country where they are treated like everyone else. Audrey

*Why should Maori have 2 bites cake on everything were other groups can not, bite racist, spells trouble. Barb

*Otherwise why not include the Asian NZ'ders who at this stage are likely to form a greater number of citizens than Maori ... or are at least a significant number. Or what about any other ethnic group such as Arab Muslims, etc...The Treaty of Waitangi in its original form was a binding contractual document for all NZ'ders for all time. After all when you sell something to someone it does not automatically become yours again just because it was originally yours. The contract is binding unless all parties & people (ie: the population under a democratic government) agree to change it. Therefore the current drive is actually very racist and therefore according to currently acceptable conduct it is in contravention of the governments own laws against racist divides. There should be no notion of "we are Maori" and there are the "others". Walter

*It is all BS! Why can't maori be New Zealanders first? Perhaps this issue is one where white NZers put their stake in the ground - long overdue. Barry

*Governance of the country is for the elected Parliament not a bunch of backward looking immigrants whose claim of being Tangatawhenua is a fraudulent one. The report should be tossed in the rubbish bin and treated with the disdain that it deserves. Allan

*I object to maori being called 'indigenous' as they were here only a few hundred years before the first European. Andrew

*I thought we were all New Zealanders. Clive

*I am getting totally sick of all this pandering to the Maori. What next, they'll be wanting to charge people for the air they breathe. Arthur

*In South Africa they called it apartheid - no-one seems to have been brave enough to use that word about what's happening in NZ. And don't I recall that NZers stood up and spoke loud and clear about the perils of aparteid in SA? Are Kiwis' memories so short????? Kay

*It has to stop, and stop soon all this "race based" greed and intimidation. John

*Nothing more than racial greed for power over all other races living in NZ. Greg

*Of course not - but let's face it - it already is! If you're white, asian, islander or any other race you have less rights than Maori already - and if you're one if the Maori leadership you have more rights and wealth than any of your people - successive governments have linbed the pockets of these elite to the detriment of their own people and the rest of us. NZ is now a third class nation and will only become worse - Bainamarama for President - he might clean up the crap that the liberal do-gooders and apologists have wreaked on this country. I would suggest that within the next few decades that NZ will have to become part of another country because we won't be able to pay our way with most of our GDP going to Maori plutocrats. Grant

*What happened to the country that we were all so proud to fight for so long ago? This isn't it. Norm

*Maori get enough of the public purse already and this just adds more to money down the drain. Dave

*Apart from ACT there is not one major political party that does not espouse and support this racist claptrap. Combine this with a media that is equally racist and you are not surprised that it is so difficult to change things. No wonder more New Zealanders than ever are voting with their feet in crossing the Tasman to Australia. John

*It is ALL BULLSHIT One government for ALL New Zealanders. Harry

*This is a multi cultural society and any attempt at limiting fair representation to other immigrants would be undemocratic. Also, to grant soveriegn rights to Maori beyond the scope of the original agreement is madness. David

*Couldn't think of worst thing happening - totally ridiculous! Diane

*"IWI' stands for I Want It! Mike

*Absolutely not. NZ is a democracy so that any aspiring politician can seek to be elected to Parliament regardless of that person's racial background. No particular ethnic group should be entitled to seats in Parliament based on perceived entitlement. It is time to get rid of the Treaty and ongoing settlements before it is too late. Jane

*One law only, we are going down the road to separatism so fast that it is scarery, Joe public cannot see it!!! Andy

*One govt, one people. Peter



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Absolutely, ONZF. There are no Maori left in this country, only people of mixed race. Anyway, the Moriori were the indigenous people, not the Maori and it's long overdue for this irrefutable fact to be recognised. That would do away with the massively expensive fraud currently being perpetrated and leave us with billions of dollars to make this country and its people great again - and equal!! Having been away for 7 weeks, it's horrendous to come back into this racist quagmire once again and so depressing.


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Before we decide on whether New Zealand should be co-governed by Maori and the Crown, shouldn't we decide if there are any real Maori left in New Zealand today. Through the intermarriage of their own free will with other races, the distinct race of people that signed the Treaty of Waitangi in 1840 no longer exist. There is too much foreign blood in all Maori today for the Waitangi Tribunal or Government to attempt to compensate one group of New Zealand Citizen at the expense of the others. The degree of intermarriage alone makes it imperative for the Government to come to its senses and call an end to this nonsense. The Government must act in a manner that is consistent with the Treaty of Waitangi; to honour its obligations to “all the people of New Zealand”, irrespective of race colour or creed. "He iwi tahi tatou - We are now one people", New Zealanders!


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 Post subject: Re: NZCPR Feedback - TRIBALISM ON THE RISE 030711
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Do you support the view of the Waitangi Tribunal that New Zealand should be co-governed by Maori and the Crown?


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*Co-Governed? You mean Co-Bled don't you? Michael

*This would take NZ down a dangerous road. Elitist privileged minority. L

*All perks, no responsibility. Wendy

*Gutless politicians! Serge

*We must all be New Zealanders. No racial based priviledges. Malcolm

*The sad fact is a lot of the sheep in NZ do not have fleece, unlike Australia where their population appears to have a brain as Gillard is finding out. But hey, don't we (and the media) get off our bikes when someone says something non PC about women or Macsyna King writes a book, the really important stuff. John

*The adoration of all things Maori has reached the level of collective insanity! James

*One wonders if being a politician somehow removes the ability to think logically. Collin

*Maori are seemingly on a mission to usurp control of NZ society via a policy of racial privilege every bit as odious as, and even more insidious than the SA Apartheid policies. Colin

*A democratic countrycan only be governed by one elected body. Gerhard

*You have to be kidding me.. If that happens I will take my family and move else where in the world. Somewhere that does get builied by using the race card. Raphael

*It is outrageous, dangerous and will literally ruin New Zealand. Shirley

*The Maori people cannot even look after their own children and youth, their "house" is not in order. Why do they think that they can look after the "farm". If they got Maori crime down, demoted the appeal of gangs and the "Island" racial separatism approach to life - and started teaching their youth abstinence is an appropriate form of birth control then perhaps we could look to be a happy marriage of NZ'rs (Maori and Non-Maori) working together to make it a safe, productive, low crime and delightful place to live. I wish to live side by side by any culture wishing to live here in NZ but not if they force me to live a life squeezed by others greedy and selfish demands...NZ is big enough for us all to enjoy the nature the beaches, carve out a life where we help each other and not strive to have our own nest feathered, a nice life at the detriment of others. Geraldine

*It is time for the Government to finally show some backbone and say no to these ridiculous and divisive demmands. Sylvia

*If partnership meant negotiating for a better future for all New Zealanders I would say yes. All I have witnessed is Elitist Maori getting richer, poorer Maori remain poor and the country being held to ransom and the millions spent appeasing the Elite could be better spent in projects that benefit all New Zealanders. I often wonder if the rate at which we have fallen behind Australia has to do with the huge costs imposed by the Waitangi Tribunal on NZ as a whole. Peter

*These "brown table" racists are excrement on the face of my country! Reuben

*New Zealand should be governed by ALL New Zealanders. ... Full stop! Peter

*Frightening. Albie

*The challenge is to create a multi-cultural New Zealand society rather than an ethnically divided one. We have gone beyond the cusp and we now have a long way to go to recover that vision. John

*Everyone has the opportunity to be elected to be part of governing NZ. There is already far too much "pandering" to Maori for the sake of historical grievance. Maori have the same right as anyone to stand up for their people, they don't have the right to special favours that include endless handouts! It has achieved very little anyway, they need to motivate themselves! If they think some issue is important then they can follow democratic process as the rest of us have to! Susan

*No bloody way, when is this madness going to stop, I'll tell you when ...... when we have the gonads to say enough is enough, stop all this PC bullshit, someone needs to urgently take the bull by the horns and do whatever it takes to make us ONE ie New Zealanders. I know this is a hypothetical question BUT how long do you think we would have this sort of problem if the word MAORI was banned from general use (just like the N word) we would soon stop talking about the F & S, Te Reo, Waitangi, Taniwha, inequality, etc etc the problem would soon go away and we would all get on with our lives. The more we talk about it the more extreme it gets ...... it's bloody apartheid in reverse and it’s on our doorstep …. Are we all too stupid to see it? God help our kids and grand kids, for the sake of some egotistical, self serving politicians we are standing by and allowing NZ to be ruined. Don Brash may be 70 but I think his ‘nads might be bigger than the Smiling Assassin’s and his treacherous henchmen. Get the Littlewood Treaty out in the public domain, spend however long it takes to thoroughly investigate it then act on those findings and I believe the problem will be solved ………… simple. Unfortunately it’ll never happen because too many past and present politicians will be made to look stupid and too many people would stand to lose too much money. Tony

*Sick of racism and apartheid in this country. Time to vote against MMP to stop the pandering. John

*We are all New Zealanders now. Special treatment should not be meted out by race but only by need. Maori have had an enormous amount of compensation to date - when will it stop?! They are not custodians of the environment but more often exploitators of it if there is profit involved. Rosemary

*WHY SHOULD THEY??? All New Zealanders own the foreshore & Seabed. This is a scam. JACK

*THAT IS NOT DEMOCRATIC. Graeme

*Maori will never be equal untill they are treated equally. I am not a part maori, but many in my family are and I don't know any that support this nonsense that maori are inferior and need special treatment. Mike



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 Post subject: NZCPR Feedback - TRIBALISM ON THE RISE 030711
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*Absolutely not, no way, never. Dare I suggest it, the cause and the answer lies squarely at the feet of politicians. Until they have the guts to say to Maori (D Round said) "combine sex and travel" we will continue the slide to oblivion as a proud nation. I am old enough not be around to see the final outcome of racial division which seems to gain momentum at every turn. I have no desire to see civil war here but it may be inevitable. Unfortunately it seems running away is the easy option. Ray

*The report is rubbish. The Tribunal should be abolished because it is racist in its intentions. Harry

*It's a biased Tribunal so this is thew sort of rubbish we would expect it to produce. Their report has no credibility at all. Unfortunately it’s the sort of report Finlayson will use to advance his personal agenda. John

*One law for all!! Tony

*No, no, no. It is outrageous what they are doing and saying. It is no wonder that the country is sinking into the mire. For goodness sake, when can we have a government prepared to stand up and say enough is enough. Maori have to get over it - stop trying to rip off taxpayers any more and stand on their own two feet. Julie

*The whole Tribunal, report, modern day attitude of iwi makes me sick. It's all based on greed - trying to rip off non-Maori. George

*The Tribunal should be disbanded. Karen

*This whole Maori gravy train is the best reason to get rid of MMP that I know of! Ed


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