NZ Centre for Political Research

This week's poll asks:

Do you believe the emissions trading scheme should be scrapped?

*Because there is no scientific basis for it, and it is a cost to all New Zealanders with no benefit to anyone. Ivan

*Get the facts on totally unsubstantiated worldwide temperature increases from a REALly well-informed scientist like Dr Vince Gray - and somehow get them widely publicised, in concise, understandable form, and public opinion should be swayed in favour of dumping the ETS. Bill

*Just a con, perpetrayed by those who wish to have themselves a job built on hysteria. Where is the money going, into rothschilds bank in Vienna, not here in NZ. Sam

*It is only a scheme for a few people to make a lot of money. Pat

*It is crazy that we should be crippling ourselves with an ETS scheme that noe of our trading partners has. It will do nothing to clean up our air or waterways - just move money around. John

*We are being taxed out of existence already, and this is just a scam. Laurie

*Absolute madness by that idiot Nick Smith (who Nelsonians continue to support) and Key both of whom were anti and sceptical of climate change before the last election. Does Key realise that struggling families can only blame him & Smith for the escalating cost of living with this nonsensical ETS and that unnecessary rise in GST which is of course passed on to the end user. Both my votes will go to ACT in November. Carolyn

*It should have been laughed out of Parliament in the first place. Nature has its ups and downs andn the "global warming" is only one plase of that, as history shows. Nature is bigger than all of us. I always opposed the ETS scheme as it is crippling our economy for no good reason. Sheila

*We mustscrap the scheme I have sent many letters to Smith to scrap the ETS. but pays no attention I will forward to you some of my letters to government. Grainger

*JUST ANOTHER TAX. Nigel

*Emission from New Zealand is minimal compared with emission from larger Countries. Until larger countries contribute their share and Scientists from both viewpoints agree New Zealand should scrap the scheme. Peter

*Where is the 'truthiness' in all this? Monica

*The article says it all!!!! Mike

*There are many other things we can be doing to reduce pollution and protect the environment, that will actually make a difference. Carolyne

*How can Nick Smith be cajoled into believing Climate Change is an impositi on on peoples lives. Robert

*The scheme defies all common sense. I have been against it since it was first suggested. Barrie

*ETS = Extortion Theft Swindle. Mark

*The ETS can not be based on any scientific evidence. There is no smoking gun that implicates CO2 in runaway heating of the world. George

*The ETS is just another tax which will only increase the size of the public service and contribute nothing to reduce global warming or any climate change... Which has historically continued since the planet was formed... Without any help from man-kind! Les

*Definitely, was a bad move from the start. Rick

*It is purely another revenue gathering exercise. Sandra

*It's time the people had a say not just the beehive. Bryan

*Science has always been about testing theories which requires both sides of an argument to be analysed, alarmist science is quite different, for this you look at what matches your desired result and ignore, or modify, anything that does not, NIWA, our Government’s principle adviser and Nick Smith come into the latter category, unfortunately much of our mainstream media work on this principle also. Jan

*The earths orbit arround the sun effects every thing that happens on earth. ERROL

*Another example of the dishonesty National has practiced since gaining power. Graeme

*I have supported National for more than fifty years but Nick Smith can be described as no more than an ecological and economical terrorist and should be charged as such. Graham

*No amount of our money will change the Earths natural cooling and warming cycle. David

*It is a pointless, expensive and misguided tax on New Zealanders that should be abolished by any sensible government. On top of that, Nick Smith should be sacked for foisting this onto the country. Barbara

*1. The policy is built on a lie. CO2 is not a pollutant as is identtified on government industrial pollutant registers and by bio-chemistry evidence.
2. Policy built on a lie is corrupt - governments that build such policy are corrupt.
3. The Kyoto Protocol is a "dead duck" after 2012 and will not be renewed. Few politicians will take the risk of ridicule against their careers.
4. The economy of NZ is in STAGNATION and the cost of the ETS is increasing the cost of living and reducing international competitiveness.
5. This idiotic policy is exampled by NZ's production of carbonated cordial. NZ produces (360 drinks per capita) 1.5 billion cans/bottles of cordial impregnated with CO2 (every year) - we drink it everyday! The next step would be to shut the cordial manufacturing industry down using current thinking - wouldn't it?
6. Another example of the use of CO2 is in Fire Extinguishers - they are found everywhere in offices, trains, aircraft, buildings, machinery etc. - they are CO2 extinguishers for emergency use against fire. The next step would be to shut down their manufacture wouldn't it?
7. Truth must and will prevail if we have a functioning democracy. Hopefully the electorate will focus on this idiocy come the November elections.
8. If our politics departs from facts to propaganda in its policy making we will not advance beyond our current predicament. Nick

*We, my partner and I believe climate change is occurring to some degree. It is the way the situation has been responded to, politically (taxing) and scientifically (academic rail roading and discrediting of former respected scientists who are debating climate change)and the constant pushing from the media that leaves us questioning if climate change really is as serious as they keep pumping it up to be.
Our gut feeling from observations of the climate change controversy is telling us the scientists and politicians are protecting a motive...I hope that doesn't sound paranoid. Ken

*The biggest con by the biggest idiots to bigger idiots that believe in climate change. Jim

*I have for some considerable time held the bilief that man has very little influence on climate change Desmond

*There is too many mistakes in the maths over temerature to let this scheme continue under its present form. Certainly study the effects of change but it is nonsense to fudge the results. Barry

*It is all about money. And how the UN can finance itself and their powerplay schemes. See: http://watchmannewsletter.typepad.com/n ... olicy.html. Jannes

*The ETS is a scam. On what is all the extra money that will be raised in taxes, going to be spent? Robert

*The Govt wants the ETS because, one way or another, it is a way the Govt can raise extra revenue without having to raise GST or income tax. That is, it is convenient because it is hidden. Gary

*Stop Politicians with an agenda, scamming ignorant people with psuedo science. Warren

*No proof it is doing any good, but definitely doing bad. James

*It's obvious that there is no CAGW, nor ever will be. I'm not sure whether Nick Smith is an idiot or a fraudster. It must be one or the other. GW

*This scheme indicates just what politicians will force on the electorate just to stay in power. This ETS is purely a sop to the Greens, Labour would do exactly the same. They are all morally broke. Ray

This week's poll asks:

Do you believe the emissions trading scheme should be scrapped?

*Labour won't repeal either. Global Warming is a scientifically proved as Evolution. Are they all mad. Sent this to MPs: New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism. Forbes Magazine 27 Jul 2011. Labour's response: Thank you for your email. I did see the NASA article. Basically, the article just says that the models are a little out in their predictions, but the underlying scientific data is correct. Over 98% of climate change scientists agree that the globe is warming, and that humans are causing this. This is a similar consensus to the theory of evolution. While theories are constantly being tested, as the NASA example shows, overall the scientific basis is very sound. As such, Labour supports a comprehensive ETS, where polluters pay for the carbons they emit. Kevin

*Most definitely it should be scrapped. It is another one of those things rushed through by government that should never have been allowed in the first place. What ever has happened to the notion of parliamentarians representing the people! Dorothy

*Absolutely, National among my wide range of friends have lost a lot of support through forcing this on us (another reason for binding referendums). Clark

*The ETS is a stupid, fraudulent piece of vote buying. All it is doing is crippling the economy further, slowing recovery and making us drop further and further behind Australia. No wonder many of our best and brightest young people are heading over there. Every farmer, and associated businesses should give their party vote to the one party in parliament which consistently goes against all the others in opposing the ETS. Let's get our ACT together! Duncan

*My scheme exactly; get the jails to grow seedlings and the so-called "out of work" to plant and nurture them. Rik

*Absolutely! Sooner the better. Don


*It is a load of rubbish. John

*As the public realises what a scam the ETS is, the good work that has been done is cleaning up the environment will be set back by years. Janette

*Otherwise we will end up with a revolution. Less financialy advantaged people are being screwed by idiot pollies. Christopher

*It is a total con and I cant believe the mainstream media are buying into it and not doing their job of presenting both sides of the argument. Anne

*Nick Smith has proved his incompetence again. Ian

*Why do we have to lead the world, we cannot afford ETS. Sonia

*Of course the ETS should be scrapped, it is causing a financial rot on all New Zealanders income. It is tax theft with another name. Neil

*It does nothing to stop the emisions of other countries..let alone our own country. It is just another money grab for the government. Jane

*The scheme is just another damaging tax on NZ industry. It needs to be challenged on the basis that it was sold to the public on fraudulent evidence from the UN. Greg

*Nobody has told us how much of the gases have been produce by a constant series if volcanic emissions. Donald

*The earths atmosphere is .03% carbon it has been since we have been able to mishear the composition of the atmosphere and I see no reason to believe that will change. Norman

*It is an uneccesary waste of money, with no foundation to it. Shirley

*How can we scrap it? Brash needs the support of the parliament to do so and they have all been brainwashed by that idiot Nick Smith, who Nelsonians stupidly keep re-electing. All the ETS (& increased GST) (both totally unnecessary) has achieved is a giant leap in the cost of living, with all the associated cost increases passed on to us consumers. No wonder people are struggling financially. Has Key got rocks for brains? Carolyn

*It is amazing that politicians, journalists, and some scientists can be so blinded to the reality. Kill the ETS. Murray

*Its a scam. Laurie

*Nick Smith has his head buried in the sand. Chris

*A totally ridiculous idea. Noela

*Watermelons - Green on the outside, red on the inside - ETS is a means of controlling sheeple through taxation. Paul

*The scheme is just another tax only this time the tax has a feel good factor for those brain washed into believing they are helping save the planet. Peter

*It's just a tax rip off and jobs for the people in power!! John

This week's poll asks:

Do you believe the emissions trading scheme should be scrapped?

*I cannot see what what effect our emissions can have against naturally occurring acts like forest fires, volcanoes etc. Gerry

*I don't know what I'm going to do as a farmer, I'm paying over %50 of my income on Ak's Land Tax (rates) before farm expenses. Doesn't the government want farmers? I dont understand it or them! I live off property so there's another lot of land tax. Please help. Grant

*We need to put Smith and his like minded in goal for fraud. Wayne

*CO2 is less than a mere four 100ths of 1% of the air. That is 0.038%. Humans produce 3% of the CO2, nature the rest. We produce 0.001% of the air. Greg

*MOST certainly as it is just political nonsense. No one has ever explained to me the reason that a mere 1200 years ago the globe was so warm that grapes were grown in the north of England and that Greenland was so named because of the great expanse of green land. Robert

*It is a political money making scheme and costs for us all but where does the money go? Margaret

*I have always been firmly convinced that global warming is a natural, recurrent phenomenon. It happened before humans walked this earth and will continue to happen. Diana

*Your piece on this is good. You have succintly and clearly put the whole case for scrapping the ETS. Roger

*If the World is warming up and if the cause is man made air pollution then we must deal with the air pollution. There is no point issuing licences to polluters and allowing them to carry on. Then, even if the World is not warming up or if the cause is natural we will have clean air and there is nothing wrong with that. K

*Absolutely it should be scrapped, It's nothing less than a scam. If the politicians won't dump it then dump the politicians! Denis

*Once every country in the world has signed up to the ETS with the same rules for all, let's look at it. John

*As a layman I have read widely on the subject but am still not sure who is right. However, since to pro-climate change people seem such fanatics I have an intuition that they may be wrong and I have therefore voted to scrap the ETS. WAH

*Can't believe that so many peope have fallen for it. How is all this money we pay going to change that?? Carolyn

*I have felt that the news media's coverage of "climate change" aka "global warming" has been biassed to reflect the current government's thinking. It's good to hear someone presenting a rational argument against the current flow. All the most New Zealanders have seen from the ES is increased prices across the board - certainly no reduction in temperatures! Laurence

*Scrap the ETS and fire the Minister. I'd like to more than fire the treasonous little creep though. Dianna

*See the Litigation Against NIWA in the High Court alleging that it has failed in its statutory duty to correctly report the New Zealand temperature data over the period chosen by it. Anthony

*Its a lot of old tripe. A money making scam. The climate will do what its always done regardless. Dona

*I especially like the idea of creating an offence of using falsified data to distort climate change research results. Maybe an Act MP could try a private members bill. Baxter

*Difficult to understand National Party when PM's science adviser (Peter Gluckman) has a history in developmental endocrinology and neuro science making him a spokespersonon the ETS? Ridiculous. Nick Smith - say no more. Di

*Yes, a million times - YES! We NZers so need to break out of our "animal farm" and begin to impose reason, logic and absolute morals on "our" politicians. In fact, what we need is revolution - a total sweeping away of the current "rotten to the core" government, all political parties, and their corrupt horde of clerks & administrators robbing us blind and dictating our actions via micro-management of our lives. Peter

*Without a doubt YES!!!! Quickly. What a nasty way to steal our money. Colleen

*Yes, scrapped, not modified. Gert

*Times have not changed, Politicians still seem unable to get things right and if truth be known only a small number would be able to find employment elsewhere. John

*If you look at Australia you will know it is never going to be brought in and stay in over there. Julia Gillard is well down in the polls and will go at the next election. Tony Abbot has no intention of having an ETS scheme. Fact is that it will be not having one that will win him the Election. Most of you will remember John Key said he wouldn't have one either. I voted for him on the basis of this but as you know it was a lie, he did bring it in. Of course I wont be stupid enough to vote for him again. Once Abbot gets in and Australia scrap it, there will be little point in NZ continuing. As foolish as it is to be taxing NZ for it now it will turn to Ridiculous once Aussie back down. Australians have protested loudly against it but as you know the sheep in NZ just carried on Grazing. Chris

*However the Government would then lose the great tax windfall which is the true reason for the ETS, if they were truly honest. John

*If National persists with this farce, I shall never vote for them again. All strength to ACT which is the only party with sensible policies! Mike

This week's poll asks:

Do you believe the emissions trading scheme should be scrapped?

*The scheme is driven by our pathetic desire to be seen to be doing the right thing. Get real NZ. Sue

*Why is it that both John Key in NZ and Julia Gillard in Australia when in opposition were both against an ETS but the moment they gain power are for it? Have they both been "got at" as JK was by the maori party over his promise to get rid of the racist maori seats in parliament. John

*Yes. NZ should never have been "suckered" into this idiot politician's dream or "extortion for personal monetary gain". The world will not be saved from whatever human pollution or assumed carbon imbalance by flogging the life-blood out of a handful to fulfil the dreams of a few despotics. The ETS is simply a Tax, a politically sanctioned form of theft, for no other reason than to allow current and successive politicians and bureaucrats to buy votes from gullible punters. Wake up NZ we are being screwed. Ced

*Because of the ets I will never vote national again and have told key this. Lizette

*We are just too gullible. Jim

*It's an afront to the intelligence of the averge New Zealander. It is high time we rid ourselves of unelected politicians telling us what is good for us. If the playing field was leveled and these twits had to actually win a seat New Zealand may actually get the governement we voted for and thus make it a better place for all. Cyril

*The main polluters, America, China and India are not financially contributing, it is a money gathering exercise that N.Z. cannot afford, what is the penalty if we withdraw? Would we be bullied by loss of trade? Claudie

*The Key administration is like King Canute trying to hold back the sea. No politician anywhere can control the forces of nature, including control of world climate, do they think they are gods? I think they are fools who should be replaced via the ballot box. Vic

*Thanks for the excellent report Muriel. After listening to all the rot on "Global Warming", ( and now "Climate change", I must ask, "How does money change the climate?". There is no tru'er account than that which President Klaus (Czechoslovakia) gave at an International Global warmimg conference in New York a few years back, and its absolutely true. "Environmentalism is a religion , ascetic in nature, and will rob the West of its prosperity and freedom. Ascetic religion killed Christ." Nick Smith is deluded on the subject..Max

*I fail to see how moving money from one pocket to another (ie govt coffers) will alter global warming in the slightest. John

*AGW on evidence shown so far is Shonky Science at its best. Ken

*Sadly, I await the change of direction and the justification fromn the shonky scientists and politicians, when it becomes more obvious that that climate warming is the biggest con the world has ever seen since the church declared Christ the son of god in AD325. Donald

*A scam, not a scheme. Mary

*Just another rort, and gravy train. Mark

*The more I hear and read about our present Gvt the less I can trsut them ETS was a con but obviously a way for this GVT to get more money from us. MARYLIN

This week's poll asks:

Do you believe the emissions trading scheme should be scrapped?

*I am happy you seem to understand what is happening in the real world where scamming burocrats keep themselves in a job at the cost of productive people. Parasites is what they are. At best ignorant, at worst criminally incompetent. Gerard

*A resounding yes. Some 450 millions years ago there was the ice age which last for 25 million years..without humans being on the planet, can we be that arrogant enough to think we can change nature that much. After seeing a doco on India with all its filth, maybe that country should start first and get its house in order along with China and all the others to show they are keen to get earth in a better position than it is, but nothing will change nature and all its forces. Audrey

*It's nonsense. Chris

*e.t.s. will not decrease C.O.2 and we don't need a decrease either as this is a natural gas. Velma

*I watched as a chart of cyclical global temperatures spanning millenia was displayed but ignored during a public lecture by a visiting senior American IPCC scientist; why is the early 21st Century so different? - read Ian Plimmer's "Heaven & Earth" book. Russell

*All a load of hot air (excuse the pun). Russell

*Shon-KEY AND Nick Smith are traitors. Jo

*It was dismaying to hear Paul Holmes on radio calling Lord Monckton a fraud who should be given no on air oxygen. Catherine

*Thank-you Muriel. Clare

*The Dompost won't publish my letters against the ETS and faulty "science"anymore. Rob

*ETS is the single most damaging fraud ever to be inflicted on New Zealand families and must be repealed immediately - at least until the science of anthropogenic climate warming is settled and agreed. Ray

*Without a doubt it should be scrapped. Tony

*This hobbles our international performance. Glenn

*This being a scam of unbelievable proportion should be scrapped fothwith, so should Nick Smith!! Jim

*I have received Dr. Benny Peiser's newsletter for some years and am impressed by his calm reasoning about the futility of schemes like the ETS here and elsewhere. Eneka

*Never heard such a load of rubbish in all my life. ETS is fraud plain and simple. Those mad enough to swallow this Al Gore tripe need there heads read. Though theres money in it somewhere I suppose! David

*ETS is an absolute fraud put upon us by people that dont fully understand what they are comitting us to. There is no proof whatever saying that any change in climate is other than cyclical and has ocured in the past and will continue to do so forever. David

*Smith is a turncoat. he is following the green agenda - a proponent of Agenda 21. Wake up NZ and study this agenda.
This is a system of depopulating the earth, along with a theology of earth worship. I always ask, who will be first to give his or her life to protect the planet? Will Smith and his ilk be first? Ross

*Only someone mentally deprived could support such evil legislation. Malcolm

*It is a load of hot air! Beryl

*Dr Smith only believes himself on all aspects of the ETS, anybody else's opinion is always wrong. Richard

*It doesn't fool any conscious person! Its just a tax! It acheives nothing other than suffocating the economy a little more! Andy

*I think the ETS is nonsensical and draws the attention away from real issues . Gerhard

*It's entirely based on false science. John

*It is an obnoxious waste of taxpayers' money and a naked attempt by policians to find new ways to control the public. We should not put up with it. Andrew

*Absolutely, and the government should be held accountable as to why they have brought in a tax that is based on flawed and falsified information. Totally outrageous! Steve

This week's poll asks:

Do you believe the emissions trading scheme should be scrapped?

*Because climate change is a fantasy invented to control and pull money from the people. Richard

*Just what is National's real agenda? Along with the Foreshore and Seabeds legislation, the ETS seems to be designed to wreck the social and economic fabric of New Zealand. This is another instance where we need ACT and the strength of character of Dr. Don Brash to stand up to national and bring some sense back into our political scene. Ronmac

*The more this goes on, the more evident it will become that the ETS is one of the greatesr scams in history. And that is being done to NZers by their own elected opfficials is a scandal of the greatest!!! Ian

*Should be put on hold untill there is something more concrete. Bill

*It is quite beyond belief how Nick Smith has got away with imposing this scam on us all and how he can actually dress it up as being successful. The man is totally deluded but that is too kind a word for him in view of the totally unnecessary hardship he is placing on the country as a whole. The ETS will not make one iota of change in the climate. It is natural - pure and simple. Let's hope the 'Sheeple' will wake up very soon. B+H

*Of course. From the outset the whole thrust has been to secure just another way of collecting more tax. Climate Change is a new vehicle to accomplish it, and has little or nothing to do with our changing weather.
Goff has already spilt the beans on how Labour will increase Agriculture's "contribution" to off set the "Public" burden. (Great election ploy). Regretfully ETS will go on and we all will suffer, by the time it is finally scrapped our present politicians will have retired, or gone on to the UN with better salaries. The future New Zealand taxpayers will, as per usual, pick up the Bill. Brian

*Its an out right lie. Of course we need to be more responsible in looking after our country/world but not ETS way. Kelvin

*Abso-bloody-lutely! Kevin

*The ETS isn't perfect but it's a start. We really should have a carbon tax instead but that's too much to ask from this government. AGW is real and Monckton is a total nut job. It doesn't make your organisation look good to believe in his pathetic childish nonsense. OJB

*I have written 2 letters to Nick Smith, his response to the first one very clearly showed he has not got a clue (his previously published source of information was Gareth Morgans book and Gareth can't even predict economics correctly). Of course TVNZ could not fit Monckton in, they were too busy doing stories on how the evil Government was letting down solo mothers of 5 and 6 kids one of which was complaining about a toilet overflow one of her kids had probably caused. John

*A ETS Tax will make not one scrap of difference to the co2 levels it's only a means of Govt revenue making. Nibbage

*How on earth are we going to get rid of this when referendum isn't binding. Colin

*It should be scrapped, as it is based on a false premise (more than one actually). I am grateful for the ETS personally thoug, as 80% of my current workload is due to it! Ross

*This is just another means of gathering tax. At the same time it is putting NZ manufacturing at a disadvantage against countries that do not have such a scheme, and in particular, the People's Republic of China whose cheaply manufactured goods flood our market at prices that do not reflect actual cost of manufacture. Anthony

*It is anti-scientific! Bryan

*New Zealand should never have been at the forefront of something like this. It's costing our country far too much, even if climate change claims were true, NZ is too small to really make a difference! Absurd! Stephanie

It's complete madness. Gary

*I am happy you seem to understand what is happening in the real world where scamming burocrats keep themselves in a job at the cost of productive people. Parasites is what they are. At best ignorant, at worst criminally incompetent. Gerard

*Science not settled and scheme is not the way to fix anything. Cheryl

*A resounding yes. Some 450 millions years ago there was the ice age which last for 25million years..without humans being on the planet, can we be that arrogant enough to think we can change nature that much. After seeing a doco on India with all its filth, maybe that country should start first and get its house in order along with China and all the others to show they are keen to get earth in a better position than it is, but nothing will change nature and all its forces. Audrey

*How can it possibly work? Stuart

*Scrapped and replaced with nothing. CO2 regulation is pointless. Chris

*End the gravy train. Now. Andy

*Because it is the biggest fraud in all history; cynically exploited by fearmongers and their taxgatherers; conning the gullible - the-sky-is-falling-on-my-head-hennypenney types. Leo

This week's poll asks:

Do you believe the emissions trading scheme should be scrapped?

*Absolutely - it serves no useful purpose at all and should never have been introduced in a small rural economy. Pat

*The ETS represents bureaucracy gone mad! It is just crazy that Nick Smith got away with imposing a Rolls Royce scheme. The guy should be sacked for imposing something so inappropriate. Colin

*There is no man-made global warming at all - the ETS is simply a mechanism/tax to control the population. Rodney

*It is outrageous that governments impose a costly scheme that screws struggling families but achieves nothing. Barbara

*The ETS is a scam and I have decided that I will only support a political party that promises to repeal the law. So far only ACT has said they will do that, so at this stage they will be getting my vote! Ben

*Yes, yes, yes - get rid of the damn thing! Stewart

*Anthropogenic global warming is the biggest world wide scam ever. In this age where people are more informed than ever before it seems amazing that people can't see through the BS. David