NZ Centre for Political Research

This week's poll asks:

Do you believe that some scientists have falsified research data to support their own theories and beliefs about global warming?

*"Massaged", not falsified. I believe they choose the data they want, rather than falsifying it. Geoffrey

*Their coverups and supression of discussion confirms it. Robert

*Absolutely yes...its the good old tricks again as there were some 13 (I think the figure was) profound errors in Gore's paper. Audrey

*The problem now it must be hard for these scientists and politicians to realize they have made a mistake, but they must do it now before we are taxed to death. Frank

*I have for years received Dr. Benny Peiser's newsletter in which he questions the idea that climate change is manmade and find him very logical and believable. Eneka

*NIWA appears to have done it right under our noses while compiling the the NZ Temperature Record to show global warming to justify the ETS. They said they did the adjustments according to best practice, but independent reviews by the NZ Climate Science Coalition finds they did not. If the correct procedures are followed the warming is so small it is within the margin of error of the calcultions. Neil

*Being a retired Industrial Chemist, the notion that fellow scientists have sunk so low, appalls me! As a result I have resigned my life-long membership of the RCS, UK. You mention the John Key government’s continuing with a “diluted version” of Red Nell’s ETS, but regrettably Key, I suspect, had little choice. Given the need to borrow some $ 250 -300 million a week from international financiers, I feel that the deal came with strings attached – one of them being to continue with the ETS. The bankers stand to make far more profit from the fraudulent trading of “Carbon credits” than they will from loaning a petty-piddling $300 M to prop up our sovereign debt. Dave

*It's all a scam. If they keep on pushing their theories often enough people will start to believe it. Dona

*At least some commentators said the ETS was some of the cause of the hefty price rise of fresh fruit & veges in the latest CPI.
Can you please send this newsletter to Corin Dann & the rest of 'TV1's Breakfast' team to quell their propaganda re: climate change & rising sea levels. I hope the Green movement, party are exposed for their part in this giant scam. Muriel, you forgot about the 2 snowstorms ChCh.Canterbury had 3 wks. apart - global warming indeed. Monica

This week's poll asks:

Do you believe that some scientists have falsified research data to support their own theories and beliefs about global warming?

*Al Gore started all this rubbish since he failed in politics, he has made a living putting the fear into the world and making a fortune while he is doing it. Remember he was the one who said Osama who to Oliver North. Dave

*The latest is that Global cooling is the result of Global warming. Barry

*Climate change is a gravy boat for many scientists. Desmond

*1. Alarmists have deleberately falsified weather statistics to foster their cause - funding.
2. It is about funding and not the truth as the whole concept of climate change depends on the belief that CO2 is a pollutant - it is not a pollutant it is a harmless, tasteless, odourless, clear trace gas. So the policy is corrupt. It is a taste of future policy from governments that refuse to accept realities around them and will move to blame people for the problems.
3. The Voter needs politicians who do not introduce corrupt policy to cloud real issues.
4. Sceptic scientists have been able to tag ever event to global warming - if its hot its global warming, if its cold its global warming, if its raining its global warming, if its snowing its global warming and so on..
5. There is one surity and that is all the talkfests, all the conferences, all the fantasy of immature policy will not escape the reality of economics. Such that green business will fail because it is inefficient and too costly for the consumer. When it fails the tax take will continue to reduce and the country will become increasingly uncompetitive with the rest of the world.
6. Those who believe that the rest of the world will join the party are sadly mistaken - Kyoto Protocols are dead - when the treaty runs out in 2012 it will not be renewed.
7. NZ will keep on accumulating debt at increasing rates until the voter wakes up to the fact that green policy is not productive - it is regressive.
8. An economy must produce as well as consume - NZ will not survive as a first world nation on its present path. It is collapsing now! Nick

*They live in their own little world. Werner

*Perhaps not falsified but definitely only told one side of the story! Vanessa

*It is a sham, taking money, and what for? How is it used, where does it go.? Better to use for health or education, not to line someones pocket. Jane

*They may not knowingly falsified but have followed other's ideas. Mary

*Some years ago whilst off antactica scientists on HMNZS Endeavour found that the southern ocean could absorb all the northern hemisphere CO2. John

*I think their submissions are all technical, wishful thinking to help justify themselves and to confuse others with so much codswallop! Laurence

This week's poll asks:

Do you believe that some scientists have falsified research data to support their own theories and beliefs about global warming?

*They have been caught out big time. Quite why we are pursuing the ETS in the face of the now proven fraudulent claims is beyond me. Unfortunately the exact same shonkey science is used by the drug companies to sell their poisonous potions 80% of which have no independant proof that they work or are safe. Antidepressants are some of the biggest selling drugs and have been found to be no more effective than placebo and these drugs have horrendous side effects. Sciences reputation is indeed looking a bit suspect. Ronmac

*The way Auckland Council, or one of it’s representatives, tried to stop Monckton from making his findings available to the general public is pretty much how the alarmists work, they cannot argue with anything he says and in a one on one debate (when he can actually get one in front of him) he can out fact any of them so they can only attack his credibility as they do with anyone who opposes their view, Monckton uses fact where the alarmists use maybe, could, we don’t know for sure so are making a guess etc etc, all based on information that they know has been doctored, I know who has the greater level of credibility, but on a more positive note, it is good to see Auckland Council giving work for the intellectually impaired. Jan

*These lying scientists were on various govts. payrolls. John Key should be voted out for installing a scheme that will be very hard to abolish. Where is the money going? We have never been told. I really believe our PM is a fool, easily led, but good for the photo opportunity and the baubles of office. C'mon ACT - you have my vote so go to it and try to get rid of the ETS (and other interferring busybody rules brought inby this govt and Helen Clarks lot. Carolyn

*Jim Salinger falsified NZ climate data used by the IPCC to prove their cause in the southerm hemisphere and then refused to reveal his methodology when challenged. James Hansen, created the "Hockey Stick" graph which conveniently ommitts the Med. Warm period. Both are charlatans. Then there's Phil Jones, the list goes on and on. John

*I'm waiting for the day when the truth comes out about the cover ups. Who will believe scientists in the future. Neville

*More likely that most of them have. Can anyone tell me which political party or Govt. in NZ will scrap the ETS given that govt. rapes the taxpayer for hundreds of millions under the guise of being environmentally responsible and having an ETS?? Grahame

*People have let politicians become to powerful when they should be serving us. David

*It is clear that so called scientists have given false and doctored data regarding supposed "global warming". The reasons for it could be many and varied, but the TRUTH has not yet been embraced, except by those like me with NO influence or capital to put the case. Neil

*It is a great way to get finance from Governments that are looking for ways to increase taxes. Rick

*Global warming must be up there with the biggest cons this century. Ian

*Yet we still have the Secretary General of the UN spouting blatant lies backed up by carefully selected hurricane footage in the Pacific Islands on TVNZ. purporting to show Kiribati 'going under for the third time'. Have these fascistic socialist ideologues no shame? They have been weighed and found wanting so often but remain seemingly impervious to debate or challenge. Such is the power of an authoritarian corrupt organization like the UN that any opposition to their nefarious funding of their One World Government agenda is simply ignored. Meanwhile our supposed liberal conservative government maintains the charade, for party political reasons, of pandering to the ideologically bankrupt left and the uninformed brainwashed students of our Politically Correct education system. Peter

*Snow fell at my place in Massey this Winter. Barry

*This whole exercise of considering the implications of burgeoning world population/ intensification of agriculture/industry....all set in a clearly modern context of excessive credit growth and parallel consumption of what is arguably nonessential 'stuff' was clearly significant enough to raise valid questions, at least about the sustainability of our present lifestyles.
Unfortunately what we have seen is a complete prejudgement by the already pre-conditioned (ie biased) "lefty/green" persausion. Even a hint of a question raised in academic circles about the possible effects of this over consumption on (gasp!)climate change has had this sector leaping to embrace any shadow of "scientific" reasoning...in this case global warming as a end result of nasty over consumption...caused obviously by a "conspiracy of capitalists". In other words, some sensible new thinking and need perhaps for some greater emphasis being placed on sustainability versus immediate consumption, has been hijacked. Now we just have the name calling as a substitute for rational discussion. It seems to me all earth scientists will be wishing they could just get back to the job of measuring, theorising, and testing. They all must be feeling absolute chumps, being used by extremists to advance some political/economic arguement far unrelated to anything remotely "scientific".
It seems obvious that a minority (hopefully) of their collegues have been caught with their "hand in the till"...ie using popular support to encourage the movement of funds toward their particularly sector of academia.
Very sad. When will we see senior scientists calling for a resoration of real integrity amongst their community?
Sadly in this age of instant and pervasive communication, orderly and properly considered science has become almost impossible in an environment of excessive numbers of universities of questionable worth and doubtful research papers flooding the airwaves every minute! i.e. like the US dollar, worth less every day due to poor control at source! Ross

This week's poll asks:

Do you believe that some scientists have falsified research data to support their own theories and beliefs about global warming?

*Yes. There will always be people who juggle the "facts" to fit their own theories. I wish common sense would prevail and the ETS scheme was scrapped. Sheila

*Doesn't seem to be any doubt about it. Colin

*The whole Global Warming issue is a money making scam directly linked to the Emmissions Trading Scheme ( ETS ) & the only people to benefit will be our old mate Al Gore & his team of scammers!!!!! I don't believe a word of it & nor should anyone else!!! Dave

*Definately and it is for Power and Greed for the corporate companies. Judith

*I think it unlikely but I really don't know but don't know was not an option so I put no as my answer. Global warming could just be the result of scientific hysteria. This has happened before. K

*Although not necessarily to support their own beliefs, more often because they were paid to promote a view based on the likely earnings of the promoter. Shane

*Maybe be falsified is too strong a word but they have adjusted results to be in line with their theories! David

*ETS and the entire global warming fiasco would have been impossible withpout it. Colleen

*Over 10 years of research into global warming, leaves me with no doubt that many scientists have falsified the temperature figures to persuade politicians and the public that global warming will prove detrimental to the earth. What is happening is a natural occurrence and will continue to cause temperatures to rise and fall for as long as earth remains. Malcolm

*The IPCC scientists are charlatans. If their funding depends on man made global warming they'll say whatever they need to say to keep their funding going. Dianna

*Normal Marxist practice now is to make things up, especially "social sciences". Very effective because it is quick and cheap and honest opponents have to spend hundreds of hours of careful research to prove a negative. Alan

*There is not a shadow of doubt. But the Media keep smothering the dissenting views like those expressed by Lord Monckton. Nothing in the National Press on the science, all a personal attack on the person. Simon

*These so-called "Scientists" are a disgrace. People like Einstein, Rutherford, Newton, Galilao etc. must be turning in their graves. Simon

*Needless to say the poll done in America must have been from the Republicans. What else could you expect when a Republican candidate for the Presidency of America can say on television that the recent storm in New York was caused by God being angry with the people of New York!! Jim

*How else will they be able to continue with their very healthy pay packets. Maurice

*For the UN to fund a global army for coercion of their PC agendas. Lord help us! George

*Not just scientists Al Gore as well. David

This week's poll asks:

Do you believe that some scientists have falsified research data to support their own theories and beliefs about global warming?

*Yes definitely! Follow the money trail. This is a major global control meme, and financial scam. Graham

*Of course they have!! Jim

*Very probably to blame is the flawed manner of how we allow our research to be funded by centralist controlled research facilities from specific organisations like NIWA to University groups, by way of grant and favour controlled by a politically motivated executive who only have tax dollars to waste and no personal accountability. Maybe its not the scientists who need changing but their political paymasters of the world and in particular United Nations, who would reward corruption if it served them to do so. Vern

*It is shocking that the National government doesn't have the guts to admit this. Colleen

*Ensuring they keep and maintain funding and acceptance. David

*I do not trust a word that Scientist say. Marilyn

*Just read Ian Wishart's "Air Con" book and it will readily convince! Ted

*It's a new form of taxation. Ron

*It is called: climbing on the bandwagon set in motion by Al Gore. EJ

*Whether intentionally or not, climate change is one of those emotive topics that attract people with extreme views - and an inability to keep their personal beliefs and biases out of their research. Gary

*It's not science, it's religion (and money). Brian

*It's a smokescreen. Phillip

*Pretty hard to deny. Its so damn obvious! Andy

*If one looks at the evidence from the distant past, it appears Earth has periods of both warming and freezing - a natural cycle and balance and not caused by manknids intervention. I do not believe in global warming and how can money assist in tucking away carbons accused of this present warming? Andrea

*No doubt whatsoever. If God wants the climate to change - He will change it. Frank

*It seems to me that any fool should be able to see that nature it's self puts more "stuff" into the atmosphere than "man" can manage. Volcanoes and thermal gases have been the earth's breathing machanism since time began. There have been changes to the climatic conditions since the earth began, for heavens sake it's not rocket science to read back about these changes and see the changes through geological excavations. Cows farting and people living will never put as much pollution into the atmosphere as Mother Nature herself. Susannah

*Many scientists will only follow the money. If the universities and "green" businesses will only employ believers of the mantra, perhaps it is harder to remain true to science. As with many issues the media mostly take the side of sensation regardless of truth. John

*I have been against the ETS from the beginning. Its political nonsense. Lloyd

*It is an absolute con job and a tragedy that our govt is supporting these lies by way of the ETS. We should have never signed the Kyoto protocol. Fraser

*Even a child with a modicum of basic knowledge on the interaction between the sun & the oceans can easily draw the correct conclusion about anthropogenic climate change: that it's a lie. Adults, even without the benefit of that same basic knowledge, only have to observe the mass transfer of wealth from the public purse, usually via government, to the new "green economy" can see that where there is a massive opportunity for vast wealth accumulation, graft and corruption will be just under the surface.

Regrettably, most children are not taught basic critical information processing / analysis / critique, nor are they even taught accurate science and natural world order facts. Instead they are fed a diet of post-modern socialist "government knows best" thinking & relativistic morals, blended with the lie of Darwinian biological evolutionary change (disproved in a hart-beat by the fossil record, catastrophism, irreducible complexity, the variable speed of light, the digital nature of our universe, and the source of the information in DNA).

Adults, too, are generally in no better position, many having been thoroughly inculcated via one of the many state-run socialist indoctrination centres (pre-schools, kindergartens, schools, universities) over the last 4 decades, thereby having poor critical thinking ability, coupled with a lack of interest in anything greater than themselves, compounded by tall-poppy syndrome & laziness.

What NZ needs is a good dose of strong, straight-talking men & women from the 1940's & '50's. People with a strong moral compass, the courage to call out PC for what it is in every guise that it skulks in, and the determination to remove NZ from the shackles of the UN and their globalist masters. This is a global battle for control / dominance of the entire planet by a small, corrupt and wicked group of people, who care not a jot for us nor starving Africans, and whose sole objective is to subjugate all of humanity under a one-world dictatorship. Climate change, the destruction of absolute morals, the breakup of the family, welfare dependency, political correctness and the raft of other malaises that afflict all of us in NZ from day to day (including the wicked treaty grievance gravy train), are all nothing more than tools of subjugation. The time for revolution is now.

We need to rise up and overthrow the illegitimate political institutions that have been foisted on us in the name of "democracy" (which we don't actually have: just a 3 yearly cycle of "choose the next socialist party to further destroy NZ"), give the UN the middle finger, buckle up, roll our shirt sleeves up, and create a real, honest system of transparent government with courageous leadership. Peter

This week's poll asks:

Do you believe that some scientists have falsified research data to support their own theories and beliefs about global warming?

*I would vote for any political party in the next election who proposes doing away with this ridiculous scheme - I wish it were National but alas, no. Marion

*There is any amount of evidence out there that data has been manipulated, one has to question how much other "scientific" data is being tinkered with to meet a required outcomes, funny how none of this ever gets into the media but I suppose happy feet being lauched off the back of a boat has much more impact on us than an inflationary tax, must really irk some Kiwi's that our Aussie mates aren't as easily sucked in. John

*Global warming is an absolute corruption of the truth. Adrian

*Funding for research is apparently easy to get should the research involve global warming. So it is no wonder scientists would hook on to the money train, even if they don't believe in man made global warming. Bill

*The facts are there. Ian

*Of course the whole global warming theory is a scam based on false evidence and rigged computer modelling. None of it makes sense - it all defies nature. The sooner the whole thing collapses the better. Brian

*All of the global warming theories are being debunked by other scientists who know the books have been cooked. Global warming is a massive scam and the scientists who are colluding in it should be sacked. Paul

*I always had high regard for scientists but now I realise that some do not deserve to be called scientists - they are a disgrace to the profession. Ken

*The whole ETS should be scrapped. It achieves nothing but costs us dearly. Let's get rid if it as fast as we can! Sandy

*We should have a referendum on the ETS. I bet the public would throw it out. Gordon

*The ETS will be a disaster if agriculture is introduced. Food prices have already gone up because of it, but we haven't seen anything yet! Scrap the damn thing while there is time. Richard

*I can't believe that this whole climate change madness has gone so far. It is causing food riots in Africa and people are dying because the grain is going into biofuels instead of into food production. It is causing children to die of mosquito born diseases because food costs more and there is not enough money left over for eradication and health care. Barbara

*Of course they have but it's a stupid question. "Some" scientists do this in all fields. It's nothing new. The beauty of the scientific method is that sooner or later other scientists will correct the errors by being unable to duplicate claimed results. That's how and why science works. David