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 Post subject: Re: NZCPR Feedback - A STRATEGY FOR POWER PRICE INCREASES 110911
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:14 pm 
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1. The government’s policy is fraudulent and revolves around the ETS as an analogy. The ETS was built around a lie – CO2 is not a pollutant.

2. A great example of this fraud is the cost of an eco-light bulb. It costs 9 to 10 times more than for a standard globe and lasts half as long! When electricity was first invented the consumer purchased new light bulbs because the technology was cheap and the product more efficient than candles. All green business is not based on advancement in technology – its based on politics and as such will fail.

3. The Kyoto Protocol is dead and will not be renewed in 2012. We are witnessing the end of an era – the concept was introduced by the political system for the political system. The aim was to gain power over the people and inflate the public sector. Watch the politicians run when the voter looks to lay blame for the work of idiots in destroying the economy.

4. The cost of Carbon is already sliding down to $14.00 a ton and will continue to fall because the value is set by politics. The electorate values politicians and the voter has rejected the ETS, so the politicians responsible will be valued like carbon “downward!” Watch out Mr. Smith!!!

5. The advancement of power generation technology should be based on cost and efficiency, as it always has been – independent of politics. This ensures that the economy remains competitive.

6. Perhaps the greatest example of political interference with power generation is the use of “wind farms.” Huge backup costs are required to ensure the continuity of power supply because the wind stops blowing - often. This causes enormous cost increases to the power grid. Not to mention the future costs of maintenance because there are millions of moving parts involved, as the multitude of individual turbines in wind farms generate insignificant power output for the grid.

7. The above then is a prophecy.

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 Post subject: Re: NZCPR Feedback - A STRATEGY FOR POWER PRICE INCREASES 110911
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 6:53 pm 
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This week's poll asks:

Do you support the government’s goal of having 90 percent of the country’s electricity generated from renewable sources by 2025?


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*Key and his mates are just greens in disguise. Laurie

*It's very clear from those who do know the real facts that this is nothing but a pipe dream. Once again we need ACT to put some sense and backbone into this pathetic government. Ronmac

*Unfortunately, our plicy makers continue to damage the nations growth with the ETS (we are a global laughing stock)and a poor energy policy. John

*Not at any price, and it not achievable. If such a plan was implemented, the cost of energy would become beyond the means of most of NZ. Most of the cost would be int the research. It is proven that we have coal reserves sufficient for the next century and untapped hydro waiting for development. The Greens and other environmentalists should get into the 21st century or otherwise be allowed to freeze in the dark. Ray

*Your polls are too simplistic and this week's commentary is too simplistic. Dolf

*Following misguided theories is destroying NZ. Ian

*What makes New Zealand is the willingness to put profit aside for a better country. If you ask me, many more homes should have solar panels and research should be done into creating more efficient solar panels etc. B

*Bull Sh*t. If we go down that path we will be sitting in the the dark cooking over dung fires. Back to the stone age. At times I think that is the aim of the Greens, Maori and National all taking different routs to get the New Zealand there. Michael

*It is just not technically possible. Look at countries like Denmark who went for wind generation "Hook Line and Sinker" and now are building thermal (coal) stations as fast as they can. Simon

*Just bite the bullet and go nuclear. Steve

*ETS is a rip-off. Nothing to do with climate. Ian



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 Post subject: Re: NZCPR Feedback - A STRATEGY FOR POWER PRICE INCREASES 110911
PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:02 pm 
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This week's poll asks:

Do you support the government’s goal of having 90 percent of the country’s electricity generated from renewable sources by 2025?


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*Great idea providing there is NO bloody ETS or carbon tax component built into the cost of the electricity generated!!!!! Can we trust them NOT to sell these hard won assets off to the cash rich chinese persons who already own large chunks of the western world's assets!!!! Dave

*No ... unless we can build more hydro schemes. Hydro is clearly the best option for New Zealand. Hydro and tidal. Forget all that wind turbine crap. It is an absolute nonsense and a very environmentally unfriendly option because of the cost of manufacturing and importing the plant and infrastructure for wind generation and the unreliability of their generation capacity. Wind generation is sheer stupidity. It's fine if you are bobbing about on a boat, but otherwise forget it. Solar technology has a ways to go before it can ever be considered economical for bulk users. Again the material needed to manufacture the components for bulk solar generation are industrially speaking heavy producers of carbon. Still who cares, carbon is actually not an issue. Dianna

*A definite NO, NO, NO. Get rid of our short term and rediculous earthly climate change theories. Earthly climates have been changing for centuries, (long before Adam was in nappies)and will continue to change because climate is a global phenomena well beyond mankind's control! Nigel

*There is only one planet for us all.. the earth.
CO2 levels are small as a proportion of the atmosphere, but have a huge effect.
They have risen greatly since industrialisation.We know the eventual terrible consequences of further rises.
We should all do individually and via central and local government, to reduce our carbon footprint for ever.
It is an inconvenient truth.. but our lives on earth and those of our children/grandchildren depend on taking this issue seriously. Rochelle

*Yes but only ifprovided from cost effecient sources. Murray

*We should aim for 100% provided it makes economic sense. K



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 Post subject: Re: NZCPR Feedback - A STRATEGY FOR POWER PRICE INCREASES 110911
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Is this any help against rising power prices or just another pre-election ploy?

Plan to hit brakes on ETS signalled
Sep 15, 2011
Full entry of the energy, transport and industrial sectors into the Emissions Trading scheme is likely to be delayed under expected government changes. The Government is signalling it will hit the brakes on New Zealand's Emissions Trading Scheme by delaying full entry of the energy, transport and industrial sectors and covering agricultural emissions only if technologies are available to reduce the burden on farmers.

The Emissions Trading Scheme Review Panel's report "Doing New Zealand's Fair Share'' was released today and Climate Change minister Nick Smith said the key recommendation was that "implementation of the scheme be slowed down''.

He indicated the Government viewed the report's recommendations favourably.

"This is a good report on which to base future decisions on the ETS.

"Climate change policy comes down to a difficult choice between how much and how quickly we want to reduce emissions and how much households and businesses are prepared to pay.


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 Post subject: Re: NZCPR Feedback - A STRATEGY FOR POWER PRICE INCREASES 110911
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This week's poll asks:

Do you support the government’s goal of having 90 percent of the country’s electricity generated from renewable sources by 2025?


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*My reading of published information agrees with Bryan Leyland's article. Michael

*A crazy idea when the cost of producing the windmills and solar panels is researched. Considerable pollution to build the necessary equipment. Malcolm

*No, and a thousand times NO! It is time for revolution in NZ. We are enslaved by a globalist puppet "gummint" (regardless of whether its on the "left" or "right"), directed by the globalist mouthpiece called the "UN". Our system of "government" is not just broken, it is invalid and fully beyond redemption. We have no choice at the polls - all the parties are either equally corrupt & controlled by the globalists, or are totally incapable of running the country. On top of that, the Socialist Indoctrination Centres (schools) are pumping out generation after generation of dull NZer "frogs in a pot". The last 2-3 decades of SIC "graduates" are now firmly part of the dull, entitled unwashed masses, for whom Friday night, xbox, iphone, consequence-less behaviour & the "gummint" teat are a way of life.

Well, fellow "grogs in the pot", the water is near boiling. The only way forward for NZ is for us to give the UN & globalists the middle finger, wipe away the current corrupt, bloated bureaucracy and tonnes of red tape & trough-feeders, expel all the UN-sycophants, and start from scratch. It will be highly disruptive and painful, but the sooner we start, the sooner it's done with. Bloodless revolution is not just possible, but mandatory. Smash the chains of the globalists now, or live the next decades under their tyranny!! Peter

*Like everything the government does, they do not consider the citizens of New Zealand are of any importance other than as an easy source of funding their whims. John

*National government ministers are fallling over themselves to make their alley right with the UN - at the expence of the NZ taxpayers. Kevin

*Totally unrealistic. Eleanor

*No I do not support a level of 90% power generation from renewal resources, because it is not achievable. I do support the establishment of nuclear powered electricity generating plant. Peter

*I have answered yes to this poll but had the question added "by the use of wind generation" my response wouls have been no. I believe that we are under utilising the sustainable natural resource of geothermal (reinjection method) that has been a resounding success in Iceland and Northland (Ngawha). Not enough research or thought has gone into this. Roger

*However, pv panels on all houses linked to the grid, plus pv farms could remove the need for new power stations. Stuart

*I cannot see how we have enough resources for this without others having a BIG cut of the pie.(Not to help us either) Our Electricity is far too high now and noone seems to be caring it is like the Fuel it keeps increasing and again the Fuel Companies are ruing the cost. (Last time the fuel was above $2 litre our dollar was below 70 cents and crude was over $100 + a barrel now the dollar is over 80cents USD and crude below $100 and we arre being severely punished). Soon we will see many more businesses etc closing which will include Truck Cos as well. Perhaps we should start to make the Gvt sit up and take note and have rallies against what is happening. MARYLIN

*Makes sense to me. It's a shame so many people complain about expensive power, but they don't want such things as wind farms on the skyline. Hello! We can't have one without the other. Jack & Lois



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 Post subject: Re: NZCPR Feedback - A STRATEGY FOR POWER PRICE INCREASES 110911
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Wind power doesn't work without wind. Often in the middle of when you really need it there ceases to be any wind. Go figure!! However, the whole scenario is a farcical scam. I really don't know how these people who push it live with themselves. They must be seriously deluded. They need treatment.


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 Post subject: Re: NZCPR Feedback - A STRATEGY FOR POWER PRICE INCREASES 110911
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This week's poll asks:

Do you support the government’s goal of having 90 percent of the country’s electricity generated from renewable sources by 2025?


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*Yes, but can we please have some sort of guarantee that we, the tax payer, continue to own them. Peter

*It's complete BS! Kerry

*Far too short a time frame. Tim

*The sooner we put the green monster genie back in the bottle, the better off we'll all be. John

*We could do with 1 nuclear plant at Benmore. Donald

*Because "AGW" is a FARCICAL ANTIscience MYTH (the mouldy tar-knee-far is another myth).

I, for one, have absolutely no desire to PAY MORE ELECTRICITY-TAX for something that doesn't actually exist except in the minds of ANTIscientists (also known as ignoramus) like Gareth Morgan and Nick Smith.

In New Zealand, the unit rate of power should be constant for the visible future.

The consumers (like you and me) should expect the maintenance and growth of the generation and reticulation infrastructure to be funded SOLELY by infrastructure bonds levied on immigrants who expect to use what others have paid for out of their taxes.

Each immigrant could pay (say) $50,000 (inflation adjusted) per person refunded against NZ TAX PAID over the following 20 years. Couldn't be easier. Mark

*I also suppose private individuals in producing their own power and if they are producing more than they need, they recieve remuneration for it equal to the power board charges and including the facility charge equal to the line charge and the commissioner charges are given to the owner as a thank you. Rawiri

*Wind power has not worked in most countrys. We have heaps of other options. Peter

*It is easily possible. Margaret

*Green extremism. Mal



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This week's poll asks:

Do you support the government’s goal of having 90 percent of the country’s electricity generated from renewable sources by 2025?

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*Main reason I don't support it is that it is unattainable, unless you are happy paying 3 or 4 times what you pay now, getting any volume from wind power is just another green wet dream. John

*Is National's bizarre support of the 90% renewable target just a cynical ploy to drive up the future earnings potential of generators so they can get more for them when they privatise them? I have no trust in National to do what's right for the public anymore. James

*NO, No, no! It is a mad goal driven by a party that has seriously lost the plot when it comes to environmental and Maori issues. Tony

*No wonder our power prices keep on rising. Thanks for letting us know what is behind the price hikes, Muriel. I am dead against extremism and that's what National's energy strategy is all about. Marion

*The 90% renewable energy goal is stupid. Is National trying to drive up the price of power so they can sell the power companies and make more money? Is this a deliberate move to screw power consumers?Tom

*It just shows that National cannot be trusted to do what is right for the country. Lifting living standards is simply not on their horizon. Jim

*How can you trust a government that is prepared to screw the public? Joe


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