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 Post subject: Re: NZCPR Feedback - LEAVE OUR CONSTITUTION ALONE 180911
PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:33 pm 
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15% of the population with a minute trace of Maori ancestry controlling 85%. If this is how weak we have become as a Nation, then so be it.


Unfortunately ONZF, that is exactly what has happened - pathetic, really, isn't it!


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 Post subject: Re: NZCPR Feedback - LEAVE OUR CONSTITUTION ALONE 180911
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No Amy I don't think you get it. 15% of the population with a minute trace of Maori ancestry controlling 85%. If this is how weak we have become as a Nation, then so be it. I arrest my case!


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 Post subject: Re: NZCPR Feedback - LEAVE OUR CONSTITUTION ALONE 180911
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No you don't 'get it' ONZF.

This issue haas NOTHING to do with what's right - or legal or just.

It has everything to do with an ethnic group using a document as a lever for power.

The fact that the Treaty has been used as a lever for power (to give 'partnership' rights for example) already should serve as a warning that it will all get worse if it is put into a new constitution.

You should be dead against a Treaty based constitution that can be hijacked by radical sovereighty activists NOT in favour of one.


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 Post subject: Re: NZCPR Feedback - LEAVE OUR CONSTITUTION ALONE 180911
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Amy, the Tiriti o Waitangi that over 500 chiefs signed, ceded sovereignty to Britain and "gave the same rights to Maori as her doings to the people in England". The reason why "all the people of New Zealand" had to be included in the Tiriti, Governor Hobson had found the chiefs had contracts or had sold over half New Zealand to the settlers, whalers and speculators before the Treaty was signed. The chief's honouring these sales in the Courts that followed to give legal title to the purchases. A few of these claims were rejected with the land being returned to the chiefs or repurchased by the government, while some claimants did not bother to lodge a claim, as in the South Island. Many of these pre-Treaty Deeds are held in our archives. Britain not only want to bring law and order to New Zealand as she had promised, she also wanted to protect her subjects property and investments in a country without law and order.

Governor Hobson only authorised one text of the Treaty to be signed and that was in the Maori language. Since 1989 we have had the final draft from which Rev Henry Williams translated the Tiriti o Waitangi. By using the final draft, the Tiriti o Waitangi and the words spoken by Governor Hobson as he shook each chiefs hand at Waitangi on the 6th February 1840, there was NO misunderstanding of its interpretation. "He iwi tahi tatou - We are now one people".

The Tiriti o Waitangi was a lot more than an agreement with the chiefs, it was a guarantee, a promise by Queen Victoria and the chiefs that "all the people of New Zealand and their property would be protected and given the same rights as the people of England" therefore, the Tiriti o Waitangi must be the basis of our Constitution. Amy, surely we are not going to let a few people continue to distort our ancestors agreement for their own gain. Surely!


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 Post subject: Re: NZCPR Feedback - LEAVE OUR CONSTITUTION ALONE 180911
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I couldn't disagree more ONZF.

If you read this week's guest article by the constitutional lawyer David Round he explains how the Treaty clauses would be used to gain advantage by Maori over everyone else.

It doesn't matter what you think the Treaty says. What matters is how it is being interpreted, and the "one law for all" meaning that you are seeing is NOT the prevailing view being taken by the Tribunal, the Courts or the government. They see the Treaty as giving preferential rights to Maori as a partner of the Crown.

It is rubbish as we know, but "we" (the people) are not being listened to.

We should stay as far away from all this - especially if the Maori Party is in government - as we can, and focus instead on getting rid of the Maori seats.


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 Post subject: Re: NZCPR Feedback - LEAVE OUR CONSTITUTION ALONE 180911
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The Tiriti o Waitangi signed by over 500 Maori chiefs in 1840 gave one flag and one law to all the people of New Zealand. "He iwi tahi tahou - We are now one people". Since this time a Treaty document compiled by James Freeman, Governor Hobson's secretary and from Busby's earlier drafts has been used as our founding document. This English version of the Treaty was for overseas despatch only and was never authorised by Hobson to be signed by the chiefs. Article two of this unauthorised version forgot to mention the settler's rights to their dwellings, land and property as it did to Maori. The Tiriti o Waitangi, our founding document signed by over 500 gave the same rights to all the people of New Zealand irrespective of race, colour or creed. This is exactly what our Constitution must contain, the same rights to all the people of New Zealand irrespective of race colour or creed.

If we do not use our founding document, the Tiriti o Waitangi as the basis for our Constitution, then what do we base it on. the Bolivian Constitution where the indigenous people are give sole rights. It must be remembered Prime Minister Key foolishly recognised Maori as the indigenous people of New Zealand without any forensic evidence, so it is only natural that if the Tiriti o Waitangi is NOT used, the the basis for our new Constitution will be based on the Bolivian Constitution.

Please give this some thought, it is very important. we must retain our Tiriti o Waitangi as the basis of our for our Constitution.


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 Post subject: Re: NZCPR Feedback - LEAVE OUR CONSTITUTION ALONE 180911
PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:55 am 
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Do you support the establishment of a new Constitution for New Zealand based on the Treaty of Waitangi?


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*How on earth would the alleged "maori" survive if all non maori left New Zealand shores. They would be absolutely stuffed. My bags are out ready to be packed to leave New Zealand. That's two less tax payers to fund this ridiculous battle with maori. Delwyn

*If this goes ahead you will see a situation in NZ similar, if not worse than what we see in South Africa today. If this happens God help NZ because all the so-called white supremists, who brought all the technology etc to this fair land will up and leave. Tell me what have maori ever done for this country other than stick their big fat lazy hands out for what they can get for nothing. They seem to forget they are not the native people of NZ they were banished from Hawaii for their reprehensible behaviour and happened upon NZ where they proceeded to eat the moriori who were already here! Jacqui

*Absolutely NOT! Is this one country made up of New Zealanders, or is this a country of Maori and "others"? As an Australian living here in NZ now for 16 years, how I yearn for the constitutional stability of my home country. John

*Definitely not. I support one citizenship for all. And all equal. The Maori are not indigenous they just arrived before white people. Dave

*Self evidently not. Chris

*We need to sort out the original meaning of the treary first. Rowley

*NO NO NO!!! If/when a new constitution is wanted, there should be no mention of the obsolete Treaty. Is Key STUPID? Does he have Maori Ancestry? I have always been a National supporter, but NEVER again while Key is Leader. Carolyn

*Unless there can be an obvious and compelling reason put forward there isn't a need to change the status quo. This sort of racial intervention won't stop. The Jews worked out years ago that you can lose a war but if you have control of the monetary system you are effectively in control. We give the Maori truck loads of money, they invest it and become powerbrokers. 40% of the Crafer Farms deal tells you they are flexing their fiancial muscles already. Mike

*The Treaty was based on terms and conditions that existed in 1840 and can no longer be justified as applicable to current terms and conditions. It has been manipulated and used as to extract unjustified payments of taxpayer funds from Governments. Peter

*This is a horrific attempt by a minority to dictate to the majority. What in the name of good sense is Mr Kay doing and we'd better stop him fast. Ann

*The real villians here are the so-called 'liberals' who would happily it seems make themselves and us, second class citizens in our own country. Time to talk to National Party members who seem to be asleep to this. Roger

*Enough of this romanticised view of early NZ history which depicts Europeans as grasping, tyrannical monsters while the poor, downtrodden and always noble Maori, with their rich heritage of music, language and a highly sophisticated and benign culture, was swamped and sidelined by the white, barbarian devils. Bernie

*This is the most serious threat to New Zealand in our entire history. Everyone should be alarmed at this government's acquiescence, yet again, to Maori activism. Graeme

*Never, Bolivia is a poor country & this socialist nonsense will make NZ the same way. Monica

*The Maori are not the majority of this countries population. Diana

*Certainly not a constitution based on a document written in 1840 - & pertaining to those times. If we must have a new constitution let it be foe the 21st century. Dave

*Once again we have the now familiar scene of Maori radicals pitched against the rest of us and as usual the weal kneed National Government with Key telling us all almost word by word exactly as his "masters" have related to him. Any underhanded way will do to get it across. Colin

*The treaty should be confined to the history books, as 140+ years it is being used as a money machine. Are the Moari going to pay compo to the people who were here before them, hell no they don't exist, yeah right, This country is being taken to the cleaners for being to P.C. Bruce

*Such a preposterous move would be the last brinck in a wall of apartheit rule in this lovely country. I fear for my children and grandchildren in their future, being white. The only good thing is that will be free to immigrate to another country that wants their skills. Carl

*Leave it alone. Colin

*I perceive this as another opportunity for the current National Government ( whom I supported last election) to disenfranchise (or is that disenchant?) a large group of people. I could well prove to be the downfall fo governement after the debacle of the foreshore, Auckland Supercity, and the enormous spend in recovering Christchurch. Talk is cheap and we have been shown that actions are speaking much louder. Graeme

*I believe that if we get a new constitution it should abolish the treaty of waitangi all together and ensure that everyone is treated the same under all laws. Colin

*The ToW was written in haste 150 years ago in such different circumstances and is so contradictorily interpreted that it cannot be the basis of anything except disputes. One only has to compare it with the US constitution or the UN Declaration of Universal Human Rights to see how inadequate it is. David

*We should all be New Zealander with one vote. Don't turn NZ into a racist nation. Peter

*Apartheid will ensue. Kenneth

*It would be yet another major slip down the path to destruction of this nation! Hugh



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 Post subject: Re: NZCPR Feedback - LEAVE OUR CONSTITUTION ALONE 180911
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:49 pm 
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Do you support the establishment of a new Constitution for New Zealand based on the Treaty of Waitangi?


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*If this nonsence gains traction even at age 80 I will plan to leave the country. Ms. Mutu and her entourage should "study" Maori social statistics and the means whereby they may be improved. Peter

*The way forward, for a harmonious future, can only be by all NZ's to follow 'One Land, One Law & Equal Rights' for all people who live here. What is John Key thinking? We can't vote for this! Gary

*There is absolutely noting wrong with what we currently have. Where will this ever end? Tim

*I'd rather see a constitution based on the original American one. Ron

*Typical Key and his mates sucking up to minority groups. Laurie

*Absolutely not. The Treaty has no place in the law of New Zealand. If we go any further down the path of separatism it will only end in tears. Race based laws are divisive and corrosive and we in NZ need to start looking ahead instead of back. The Waitangi Treaty should now be consigned to the dustbin of history where it belongs. It has no place in the future of New Zealand and its incorporation into a new constitution which incidentally is not required would only be for the benefit a minority and not the many races and cultures that inhabit this wonderful country. Allan

*Absolutely no! Better to get rid of the Treaty altogether and bring true democracy to NZ. Barrie

*First of all, which Treaty of Waitangi are we talking about? There are several versions in existence. There is the Maori version which, being the one signed in 1840 is the legal one. Then there is the English draft from which the Maori version was translated. Then there is the English version that was made after the signing which has a very broad interpretation on the Maori version. So, which one? Anthony

*Whats going on here , it is beyond belief!!!!! Simon

*Maoris have too much say now. Margaret

*As a kiwi born and bred I find I have less and less rights come to marton and you will see life is one big party every night of the week. Richard

*DEFINATELY NOT. SUPPORTIVE OF THIS NONCENSE, IDIOTIC IDEA. NICK

*We are preparing to get out of NZ. Our house will be marketed after Christmas and now we have reached retirement age we are off to join our family in Aus. We will vote in Nov but not for the Evil one who couldn't care less about Newzealanders unless they are Maori. Labour are a bunch of goons but at least they didn't go as far as the lot we have now. The country is well and truly screwed and why in the hell people are still supporting Key beats me. I wish someone could explain to me what his motives are and what he is trying to achieve. Chris

*Radical Maori are interested in taking over everything the immigrants ie. white working folk who have built the country from a tribal cannibal existence to a luxury living standard they enjoy now. It will end in tears for all including the radicals as they don't create but live in envy. Want.want. want never give. Ian

*John Key and his sidekicks have let down badly the non maori residents of this country. Mike

*This is just more madness. Do you think Key and co are just seeing how far down this path they can go before the NZ public finally wake up? With the results of the Foreshore & Seabeds very fresh in mind, I doubt that the public will ever wake up until all is gone. Ronmac

*Absolutely NO. God forbid. Whats becoming of our country? 99% of voters support left wing Greens, Labour, Maori and now left wing National. What hope is there? Bruce

*That it is wrong is an understatement - it is a travesty! Michael

*New Zealand does not have a constitution as such. The Treaty of Waitangi is a treaty of secession, were governance was seceded in exchange citizenship. We have no written constitution but from 1840 until the adoption of the Statute of Westminster 1922 followed same convention as the U.K.. Sadly from the time of the ratification of the above statute by the N.Z. Parliament in the Nineteen Forties these convention have been eroded by Governments of persuasions, by what in my opinion has been bad legislation. We do need a written constitution, with one law for all. A constitution that limits the power of Government. Such a document exists " A Constitution for New Freeland". Deborah Coddington may still have a copy. If not it can be found on the Libertarianz web site. www.libertarianz.org.nz Michael

*A constitution must clearly be based on individualism..... not collectivism or tribalism or this group or that religious order etc etc otherwise you have lost your level playing field before you even start. Ian

*No leave it as it is. The greedy Maoris activists are getting away with far too much. Frank

*We already have a written constitution. It is called constitutional law and is not all in one place but it works. So if it aint busted then don't try to fix it. K

*I think its starting to turn the other way... everything is becoming so maori and p.c. as to not offend the maoris that we are loosing what us good ol kiwis know as New Zealand... they are getting all these perks like cheaper schooling.. and we have to work hard for ours? the RWC everything is done in maori as portraying NZ... when you dont really se that type of stuff in everyday life... infact is you go to the south island you barely even seen any maori... Anna

*Hell NO. We already have the tail wagging the dog. Laurent



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 Post subject: Re: NZCPR Feedback - LEAVE OUR CONSTITUTION ALONE 180911
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*According to records Maori were NOT the first arrivals here in N Z. I am concerned that this Race is heading "The More We Gt The More We Want" 15% of the population will soon be running this Country IF they proceed. We have a P.M. that is giving them a helping hand and we see none of the National Party having any say one way or another.
What Rights do we Have?
I would like to see more control over Immgrants and Refugees. such as They are taught the Rules cf our Country e.g. NO Spitting, If anyone of the family causes trouble such as stealing, they are given a stern warning for the 1st offence the 2nd they are deported along with all members of the family if they have become Naturalised this is taken away from them and they are sent back to where they came from. I would also like to see that they cannot become New Zealand Citizens till they have proved themselves and got jobs and been here at least 10 years.
Perhaps we should also do the same for our own people only they should be put on an island in a jail for their duration and fed on bread and water NO special perks and NO Visitors for a certain length of time. It is time to show we do nottolerate criminals etc. MARYLIN

*Absolutely not. It's hard to believe such an idiotic notion is being contemplated. Josie

*The Treaty of Waitangi was signed in 1840. Maori should be thankful for this and now move forward to being New Zealanders. Forget about what happened before. Elsie

*Never ever. More than enough of our taxes are going to fund these racist cultural elite who are so far removed from ordinary NZ even their own folk that their views are worthless. Hugh

*More racist crap being rammed down our throats. John Key, I thought you were going to be good for the country. How misplaced was my trust. I believe the reason you will get into power at the next election is because Labour has nothing to offer either. For the first time in my life I will not vote National. Unfortunately I will vote Act. John

*Never in my remaining life, their nothing wrong with our present Constitution for every New Zealander here at present. Gary

*Absolutely not. A constitution based on Maori values is the last thing we need, although at the moment, that's pretty much how things are working. Up here in the north, theft, cattle rustling, harassment of tourists and theft of their gear and abuse is common and police do little about it. They mostly will not even attend a burglary and constantly ignore civil disorder if it involves Maori. Maori ripping off Maori and everyone else. So if this Maori Radical Constitution of Racial privilege base on the Bolivia Model ... well I can see open warfare eventuating and the complete ruination of this country. Dianna

*Definitely not. Let go of the past and live in the present and that doesn't include the Treaty. Judith

*I would like to wipe my backside with the Treaty. Murray

*The constitution should remain as it is. Earle

*Absolutely NO!!!!!! If the correct copy ( the last English language draft of the Treaty done by Busby, the "Littlewood" copy) of the Treaty was used for legal purposes we wouldn't have 1/2 the brown blackmail that is currently going on. That would be enough of the Treaty for ever!!!! What we DO need is a proper Constitution ( similar to America's) which protects ALL NZ citizens not just the ones with a (self imposed) specific cultural background!!! Any Modi involvement in the wording of a NZ Constitution would NOT be in the best interests of the majority of NZ'ers unless we wanted the current apartheid system to get worserer!!!!! Dave

*These people have got to be stopped, before there's a civil war! John

*Because the REAL treaty is very, very, very simple.

It means:
NO grievances
NO handouts
NO moari apartheid
NO special treatment if you're a brown-boy
NO "moari-dom"
NO dead, phonetically defective languages like moari in our society

Just plain old sovereignty to The Queen.

So, my vote is "YES"

But then the moari-RACISTS like Unleavened bread sharples, itty-bitty tama, hone-the-tool hawera and their APARTHEID practicing mates will get involved and we'll get what we've been slathered with for the last 30 years: more moari APARTHEID.

Grow up you filthy savages. Mark

*We need to establish when is a Maori not a Maori. Not much talk about this. Ron

*Absolutely No. Where are we headed? Down the toilet if constitutional law reform is allowed to proceed. The very team that have been given responsibility for the review cannot puts hands on heeart and state they have no conflicts of interest. This is the beginning of the end for New Zealand as we knew it if this movement gains any traction. What happened to the promises of abolishion of the maori seats? If this proceeds as the half castes intend, we will end up with 2 partliaments in NZ. What we need is 1 Parliament with less than 50% of the present number of MP's. NZ is a business, and should ne run as such. it is not a personal fiefdom for a supposedly elite minority. Chris

*Stuff the Maoris. Graham

*I thought we were suppose to be New Zealanders. Richard

*1000 times NO. Not under this racist agenda. Rod

*Of course not. This is not what I fought for over thirty years. Michael

*Absolutely not! I've had a gutsful of both Labour and National pandering to Maori and neglecting the rights of the rest of us. As you say, Muriel, unless we kick up a stink and make this a political focus during the oncoming election the cozy vested interests will ram through their deals. And once again our cowardly and unresponsive constituency MPs will just keep silent and let it happen.

As a primary teacher I saw the rot set in years ago with the advent of the Labour Lange government. Immediately the Treaty of Waitangi became a sacred cow and its "principles" had to be included in every school charter whether or not the parents wanted it. The next step was the direction that "Maori perspectives" had to be incorporated into the teaching curriculum even if there was no logical connection. The next demand was that schools had to describe how they were meeting the needs of Maori pupils. I never was quite clear just who was and who was not a Maori pupil. A child is a child is a child. Some years ago Don Brash, then the Leader of the National Party, indicated that he would put a stop to this nonsense if his Party became the government. A great pity he didn't win that election.If he had I'm sure we would not be facing the pandering to Maori issues and decisions which are messing up our country.
My suggestion to my fellow citizens is not to vote for either of the major Parties. They have both shown they can't be trusted. They have both done enough damage and it's time they were given the boot. Put either of them back in and we'll continue the slide towards citizen frustration and disharmony. Denis



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*What is wrong with this Country have the polititians gone completley mad. Look at what is going on in Christchurch Our anceestors purchased freehold land developed it and turned it into a city along with businesses and farming etc and the right to demacraticlly elect councils and here we have Maori having the right to tell us what and what we will not be allowed to do in case it upsets them, Just another Govt., nominated interferring body unelected by New Zealanders further adding to the over stuffed bureaucratic mobs we now have. Bill

*A constitution must represent the will and aspirations of the people. It must also be a document that is based upon the rights and responsibilities of the nation. It is not and should not be a document that purports to represent the views of a small minority, that imposes burdens and obligations upon any sector that does not serve the well being of all. It cannot be a document that holds the country to ransom, neither should it be based upon some self serving interpretation of an agreement that has been construed by a few to confer rights and privileges that are fictions of the mind. Greg

*It would be a disaster both for Pakeha and Maori! David

*Typical Maori greed. Greg

*I am becoming old and weak and lack the fight to beat my drum and rail against this crazy time when I feel we are heading for a disasterous end. I only hope I live long enough to see my Grandkids escape to somehwere they will be welcome. Australia. Albyn

*Just look at our near neighbours "Fiji". Enough is enough. Cyril

*Since I believe that the Treaty of Waitangi has been the root cause of discrimination, together with the transfer of billions of dollars of taxpayers money into the hands of the Maori elite, I want to see the end of the Treaty. I cannot support yet another "agreement" based on the Treaty of Waitangi. No doubt the Treaty was designed to give Maori security but not all the privileges expected. Dorothy

*The Treaty should be scrapped, maori ancestors came from elsewhere as did the ancestors of the rest of us, we are all the same, New zealanders, all equal. Carolyn

*No, because the REAL Treaty of Waitangi is not being used as the basis for this. Bruce

*Maori have way too much power already from this treaty, I want all race based privilege abolished. John

*The Treaty is flkawed and ambiguous anyway, so why make the situation worse? Do we need a "constitution" anyway? Sheila

*Such a constitution can only be voted on by the Tangatawhenua, otherwise it would be illegal. Rawiri

*I believe that all NZers should be treated equally and the treaty put in the past where it belongs. Carolyn



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*I'm heartily sick of the treaty, never-ending Maori demands for more and more, and the PC brigade who seem to be so short-sighted they cannot see the end of their noses, let alone beyond them. Gary

*If Maori ambitions for the future of NZ are achieved via a new constitution heralded in by Mutu's mob then this country is doomed. My children, having gauged the direction of the wind left this country some time ago and in doing so added to the brain drain. But now I say good on them, smart thinking. Murray

*I look at the organisation, public expense and widespread passionate fervour directed into the Rugby world cup tournament, then I turn and look at the general lack of all of the above in relation to preserving our hard fought liberties and I feel a deep shame to be a Kiwi. Wake up wise up and rise up! Robert

*This would be a great step forward into a civil war. I was born here but not a Maori, so I have as much right to be here as them. Nigel

*It is outrageous. Ineke

*Part maori are still NZ'ers with no special rights. Robert

*Absolutely NOT !!!! June

*"Not bloody likely!" to quote Eliza Doolittle. In fact absolutely appalling! After selling 85% of NZ out over the foreshore & seabed legislation, he simply cannot be trusted over changes to our Constitution! Frank

*Thank you for your hard work in alerting NZers to this proposed communistic system, if allowed to gain seruous traction. Wake up NZ, please. Our politicians are by the looks complicite in the support of a new constitution? Just look at the Bolivian Govt, this is and will be a shambles, a blood bath in the end. Are we exempt from such a system, I think not, we are asleep at the wheel. NZers have been conned by the maori culture brainwashing that is and has been taking place in NZ, supported by Govt. What will change this? Ross

*Any treaty reference appears only to be whatever maori promote. Matthew

*A constitution yes, based on the treaty no. Kerry

*And I DO NOT FOR A MOMENT THINK THAT IT IS SUPPORTED BY FACT - WHAT ABOUT THE PRE EXISTENCE OF THE MORI ORI AND THE GENOCIDE OF MORI ORI COMMITTED BY THE MAORI?? David

*Just one more nail in our collective 'white coffin'. Jean

*The treaty of waitangi should be relegated to where it belongs - the waste paper basket! Malcolm

*I will fight it to the death!!! Bernie

*Maori are in no way better or more entitled to this country than anyone else. They immigrated too. Dave

*No way. Keith

*Unfortunately, NZ is already "stuffed". Even the wicked radical racist Maori's and their fawning sycophants are only pawns of the UN, who in turn are pawns of the globalists. If everyday NZers had even the slightest clue that we are all actually nothing more than enslaved serfs to the globalists, they would be horrified and panicked. Perhaps there is merit in that... The time for revolution is NOW. We need to wipe away the entire class of "powerful" in NZ and start over. Scrap "the treaty", and designed a system of SMALL government that truly IS accountable to the people. The wicked prosper because good people do nothing. Peter

*The Treaty of Waitangi should be dead and buried. Maoris conveniently forget all the advantages they have had and still do. Mary

*The Treaty should not be the basis for a new Constitution. Phil

*"No – but knowing how the present government operates we will get one, and with the greens having probably more power it will not be a fair constitution.
When the last “honoured guest” leaves for Australia will John Key be amongst them or will he be furiously attempting to revise his ancestry?" John

*The treaty should be relegated to a museum, as that is where it belongs. It has no place in a modern multicultural nation. Richard


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*Absolutely not. Brent

*Most certainly not. The treaty was relevant for its time but is out of kilter with the requirements of the nation in the 21st century. EJ

*Definitely not. Ron

*We are already seeing many changes happening particularly in my area around the Rotorua lakes. The lake beds have already been seeded back to the local iwi. Norman

*When, if at all, will this ever accelerating slide to complete racial separation end. It defies belief that our politicians will go to such lengths simply to stay in power.. I see no other reason for them to entertain a move such as this, even to fix something that is no broken. I hope that I am still around in a few years and can fight to take NZ back for all citizens. As for Bolivia, enshrining tribal societies in a constitution will eventually fail. Has and will fail wherever tribalism flourishes. Ray

*God help us! Kevin

*Certainly not, why have one based on a document that was written in the 1840's and - Who are the real racists in this country? John

*A vote for this is support for the current regime in Fiji. Ian

*No way!! How come the media dont put this in the headlines to let everyone know whats happening!! Diana

*Sort out our social problems before creating more unrest. Wayne

*Let's get real here. The Treaty is a document that contains an agreement with the English Monarch of the day. At the time of signing that document the parties were in agreement. Since then disagreement has increased until the claims have become farcical. All the current treaty has achieved is argument, division and the emergenmce of excessive greed on the part of one of the parties which has tied this country up with excessive claims of "wrongdoing" by the other party.If we are to have a new constitution, let it be relevant to our current times and apply to all equally. Maggie

*Yes, but only if the provision in the Treaty of one law for all is rigidly enforced. Otherwise NO. Alan


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 Post subject: Re: NZCPR Feedback - LEAVE OUR CONSTITUTION ALONE 180911
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:23 pm 
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*No seems rather an insipid option for such an issue as this. Definitely NO. Adrian

*Absolutely NO...here we go again...will it never end...will Maori never accept a mutlicultural society...we are supposed to be an example to the World...yeah right...I could imagine the response if England were to decide it needed to take England back and make all its immigrants second class citizens...we have certainly dumbed down...don't dare to think what it would come to if a new constituion is put in place !! Audrey

*The timing of this is interesting, raise it just before the election, but keep it under the radar, win the election and then slide it through just like the Foreshore and Sea bed legislation, its government by stealth, this proposed change should be a in all parties political manifestos prior to the election. Where is the pathetic 4th estate on this, TV 1 or 3 news programs should be raising this topic in a sensible debate. What we need is a political party that will stand for all New Zealanders, we are on the road to disaster. Rob

*It just goes from bad to worse. When will it stop? I absolutely oppose any new Constitution that even mentions the Treaty of Waitangi with every fibre of my being!!! We must all be equal and New Zealanders. Nothing else will ever allow us peace and unity. B+H

*Like Hitler, make outrageous claims, make meaningless concessions to those views to placate the masses, but still getting their way. Willy

*Hell no!!!!!!!! Reuben

*With the appointed and annointed collaborators for this review being as they are, there are here the race-based preferences that would inexorably lead to the horrific Rwandan-type divisions of appalled the world. Leo

*No way No how. Wendy

*Can John Key be so stupid? Murray

*I emigrated to NZ to get away from this sort of thing! SIMON

*NO !!! In fact all current references to the Treaty should be removed from legislation. One law for all NZers ... John

*No no no no!!!! Tim

*The "treaty" should be abolished! Barry

*My daughters heritage is English/Irish. She is 4th generation New Zealander. She married a boy of Maori descent. Does this now give her special Maori privileges? Is her daughter entitled to extra priviledges she is not? There is so much mixed blood how do you define Maori? Suzanne

*No way should this go through. It's time to wake up the public so they can see what's going on! Jenny

*Hell no! Richard

*I don't want Maoris to be my masters. If they get more power they will get rid of us all (non Maoris)...it is going to be another SA in the making...as soon as they got their education (and I wonder where from) and their goods that all other nations brought in this country with them, they will kick us out and tell us they do not need us...it will be another Fiji in the Pacific...We all have to unite and think as New Zealanders...not to push only one nation or people...we are all NZers and we all represent NZ...if Maoris want to push their own agenda (and I don't think that majority wants, only that sickening minority who suddenly got full of "white bread and european suits" maybe they should all take their oars and paddle back towards the sunset where they came from and make their own land of their new constitution and models the way they want!!! Adriana


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 Post subject: NZCPR Feedback - LEAVE OUR CONSTITUTION ALONE 180911
PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:18 pm 
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*Absolutely not! I will go to Australia if the National Party does this to us. The foreshore and seabed disaster has been bad enough. We cannot let them ruin the country by turning us into a country of Maori supremacists. Enough is enough. Jane

*It is time that our elected representatives stopped allowing Maori to demand more and more using the Treaty of Waitangi as an excuse. This is all getting out of hand. Brian

*For goodness sake when will these radical Maori stop trying to take advantage of the good will of the population? They are going too far suggesting the the Treaty be entrenched to give them superior rights and power. The existing constitution should stay. Ken

*Bolivia as a model for NZ - for goodness sake! The people pushing the constitutional review must be mad! John

*I used to be in favour the idea of a new constitution but not any more! I wanted to get rid of racial privilege not enshrine it. What the hell is National thinking about agreeing to all these ideas which will hurt the general public? Have they no principles? Dave

*My goodness Maori radicals never stop. And the thought that they could force their racist ideas on the country is terrifying! Shona


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