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 Post subject: Re: "P" and the NZ community.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:30 am 
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Thanks Peter, as I said, I keep trying to recruit like-minded people to my campaign, or offer to join their's, to no effect yet.

My most recent overture was to Labour MP's Grant Robertson and Lianne Dalziell. I sent this message to them on 20 August.

Dear Grant and Lianne,

I discovered by accident the Red Alert blog site, and I was very interested in what you both had to say on the Topic “Filling the prisons”.

I would like to address that issue with you both.

Lianne – in your response to a couple of others who posted a response, you said “ my point was to emphasise the need for early intervention so that the crimes were not committed in the first place – we know what the drivers of crime are now and we need to put in place effective programmes that minimise the risks of all the dysfunctional factors leading to offending behaviour.”

Grant, you said:”As politicians we have a job to come up with better policies, and that is something Labour is working on, but I also think the time has come for a broad based community grouping that can promote the importance of the long term approach to addressing the causes of crime and breaking the cycle. I for one would help that group in any way I can.”


Guess what - nearly 3 weeks later and still no reply. But I will be following that up....

Back to my list of P articles:
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Domestic leads to P lab
By MARY ANNE TWENTYMAN - Waikato Times
Last updated 13:00 31/08/2010

New domestic violence legislation has led to a man's arrest and the discovery of a P lab and firearms in Hamilton.

Detective Sergeant Nigel Keall said officers were called to a domestic incident at the WINZ office in Dinsdale on Friday morning, where they issued a police safety order (PSO) allowing them to remove a man to prevent the situation escalating without making an arrest.

When police took the woman involved in the incident back to her Waitetuna home they found a drug operation.

"The constables noticed light coming from under a door during the middle of the day and smelt a strong chemical smell which warranted a search of the house under the Misuse of Drugs Act," Mr Keall said.

Police called in the Auckland-based clan lab team after discovering a functioning indoor cannabis growing operation and chemicals and glassware that could be used to make methamphetamine, or P.

Mr Keall said a 37-year-old male was charged with unlawful possession of a firearm and explosives, cultivating cannabis and possession of equipment used in the manufacture of methamphetamine.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:13 pm 
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Christine success is knowledge based and often involves a lot of hands on experience with the problem or issue.
The Stellar Trust,regardless of it's pedigree, has yet to appreciate the value of having access to a broad market view of all the issues,which can only be obtained by direct association with successful people who can demonstrate sound subject knowledge and or a successful track record.
Their governance is well founded and it has the backing of some well recognised influencial people,however it would appear that their choice to work in isolation could be restricting their
real ability to help with the " P " problem.
Historically Governments deal with such organisations at arms length unless one or more of it's members has a direct link to senior policy makers,such as Cabinet ministers and even that has it's pitfalls if it receives unwanted Media attention.
They seem to be busy doing surveys and using the information gathered from random samples
to decide their input,not an unusual methodology associated with this type of structure.
I imagine their initial funding came from reasonably wealthy associates which is fine in the short term but even that source will dry up if they can't demonstrate evidential success in the longer term which includes your interest in getting users off "P".
It would be a pity to see such a well placed group fade out after a short period through lack of use of established market resources.
Good luck with your attempt to link in with them on a delivery bases.


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Here's another article on the Stellar Trust survey results being presented to the Government this week - terrible timing with everyone's eyes currently on the Christchurch earthquake.

"New Zealanders believe there is so much more that can be done in the fight against P," Stellar Trust chairman Burton Shipley said.

Government have ignored previous representations from the Stellar Trust (who are determined to work in isolation) - so if they ignore this, then I firmly believe that the Trust must allow themselves to join all other like-minded organisations in a coalition to say it again, even louder.
I'm quite happy to co-ordinate the formation of this coalition - I have all the contacts from when others have also turned down my request to work with them. !!

Let's see just how serious they really are about fighting this.
I have written to them again and asked for a meeting with them. No response as yet.

This article is followed by one from Nelson which is worth noting.
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One in seven Kiwis touched by P
NZPA
Last updated 19:42 07/09/2010

New research into the impacts of methamphetamine, or P, shows one in seven New Zealanders know someone who regularly uses the highly addictive drug.

A survey of 1000 people, commissioned by anti-P organisation Stellar Trust, found one in 10 respondents had been offered the drug and many wanted more done to combat its spread, including an increase in police powers, better education in schools and tougher prison sentences for dealers and users.

"New Zealanders believe there is so much more that can be done in the fight against P," Stellar Trust chairman Burton Shipley said.


"When you consider that government launched a set of what we believed were strong initiatives just last October, we were very surprised at the depth of feeling around the issue of P use and availability."

The survey also found about 35 percent of New Zealanders who earned more then $50,000 had been offered the drug.

"The numbers show that the more likely users of P are in the higher income, professional and sales demographics - particularly in Auckland and Wellington - and mainly male," Mr Shipley said.

There was also a "serious problem" in low income Maori homes, he said.

"Our courts are becoming clogged with P related cases, there is a serious flow-on effect into welfare statistics, and P clearly has an ongoing effect in our productive and professional sectors. We agree with the research that says we need to be doing more."

The survey, conducted by UMR Research, had a 3.5 percent margin of error.

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Number of P labs causes concern
By SALLY KIDSON - Nelson
Last updated 13:00 02/09/2010

The police have found five clandestine methamphetamine laboratories in the Tasman police district so far this year, the same number of labs discovered in Auckland city.

They are warning the owners of rental houses that if their home is uncovered as a clandestine lab, it will be put on the house's council Land Information Memorandum (LIM) report and could affect the property's future sale.

Detective Senior Sergeant Wayne McCoy, of the Nelson CIB, said the Nelson police now had a full-time drug detective and Nelson was not immune to methamphetamine.

The police had visited three suspected methamphetamine labs in the Nelson region this year – one in Wakefield, one in Nelson city and one in Dovedale. The other two in their district were in Blenheim and on the West Coast.

Mr McCoy said ensuring properties used as clandestine labs were cleaned up was up to local councils, because it was a public health issue.

Homeowners should be aware that if they rented their properties to undesirable tenants who started to make methamphetamine at the address, the fact the property was busted as clandestine lab would be put on council LIM reports.

Minister of Health Tony Ryall has just released new guidelines for cleaning up clandestine methamphetamine labs.

He said the guidelines were a New Zealand first and were requested by councils, landlords and communities.

"Most illegal meth labs are set up in residential properties, where they can leave extremely hazardous residues for the offenders and their families living there, or for people cleaning up after them."

The number of clandestine labs found nationally has increased from nine in 2000 to 135 in 2009.

Mr Ryall said the guidelines provide consistent and practical advice for checking and dealing with contaminated sites so they could be reoccupied without serious health risk.

Health effects from the methamphetamine manufacturing process depended on the amount of chemicals and length of exposure and other variables, including the age and health of the person.

Tasman District Council regulatory services co-ordinator Graham Caradus said the council probably dealt with two clandestine labs a year.

The labs came under the council's work in public health.

Mr Caradus said the council had spent several hundreds of dollars buying equipment that enabled it to do screening tests at clandestine labs, which picked up traces of a number of drugs.

It then worked with property owners to make sure the properties were cleaned up.

The cleanup process could be easy, but depended on the co-operation of the property owners, he said.

In one case, a person was still living at the property where the police had found the clandestine lab, which had made the process difficult.

In another situation, the property owners had taken it upon themselves to clean and paint the house, even though it wasn't believed to be that contaminated.

Mr Caradus said a lot of the labs found in the Tasman district he had dealt with were fortunately places where chemicals had been stored or where the police believed a lab might have been established but was not operating.

Nelson City Council environmental health officer Stephen Lawrence said the council did not pay for testing properties and that was up to the property owners.

It was also up to property owners to see that any contamination was cleaned up.

He estimated that two to three clandestine labs in Nelson a year were uncovered.

Some of the labs were low level, but others were more significant.



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Here's someone in Christchurch who must have anticipated the earthquake and the possibility of his lab being discovered when officials checked properties for damage....
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Drug-making chemicals left on doorstep
By SHANE COWLISHAW - The Press
Last updated 05:00 31/08/2010

Staff at a Christchurch counselling service were shocked to find the remnants of a P lab on the doorstep when they arrived at work.

Monarch Centre trust manager Kura Geere-Watson said she arrived with a staff member at 9am yesterday to find an array of containers and glass jars lined up outside the Durham St North building. They contained suspicious fluids.

The two women called police, who arrived with firefighters and closed the building.

"Our first thoughts were not to touch anything and we just rang the police because it was quite clear it had nothing to do with us except it was on our front doorstep," Geere-Watson said.

Staff were allowed in about 10.30am through the rear entrance, but the front remained cordoned until late morning.

Geere-Watson said she did not believe the find had any connection with the counselling centre, and the person had simply chosen a building that was unoccupied at the weekend.

Detective Andrew Henderson said the materials were probably part of a "box lab" that had been stolen.

The chemicals and equipment appeared to be at the lower end of the scale, but caution was needed as the chemicals could be dangerous when mixed together.

The chemicals would be analysed and destroyed. It was unlikely police would find the person who left them, and he doubted anyone would report the theft.



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CHRISTCHURCH EARTHQUAKE RELIEF FUND

I am starting a fund to compensate people for the loss of their P-lab equipment and subsequent earnings as a result of Saturday's earthquake.

We must not forget that this loss will create a huge dent in the market, and many people who depend on their access to P will suffer until the Auckland franchises can make up the shortfall.

I am sure I can count on your generosity towards these small business owners who need to get themselves up and running again asap.

Donations of pyrex dishes, rubber hosing and drums of chemicals, along with thousands of dollars to compensate for loss of earnings, would be greatly appreciated.


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Mr Pulman was a greedy old fool and I'm pleased he got caught. How he thought he could get away with it is beyond me.

Why it has taken the government so long to ban over the-counter sales of cold tablets containing the methamphetamine precursors ephedrine and pseudoephedrine is a long time coming.

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Back to P News - two articles today:
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Sales ban on P pills
7:05 AM Thursday Aug 26, 2010

Over-the-counter sales of cold tablets containing the methamphetamine precursors ephedrine and pseudoephedrine will be banned under a bill given its first reading in Parliament last night.

Drugmakers use the pills for the illegal manufacture of methamphetamine, and the bill aims to make it harder for them to obtain supplies by making the pills available only with a doctor's prescription.
The Government said last October it was "going to war" on methamphetamine, known as P, and the move is part of its strategy.
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...which is all a bit too late for this guy.....
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'P' pharmacist jailed for five years
By Edward Gay Breaking 10:21 AM Friday Aug 27, 2010

A pillar of the Pukekohe community has been jailed for five years and eight months after supplying restricted cold medicine which he knew would be turned into P.

Samuel Ross Pulman pleaded guilty to a representative charge of manufacturing
methamphetamine after being netted by an undercover police operation.

Pulman worked as a pharmacist in Pukekohe, and in his spare time organised the youth table tennis evenings and sold vegetables to fundraise for youth projects.

But Pulman has admitted selling 1290 boxes of cold medicine containing the P precursor drug pseudoephedrine.

Witnesses said they would go to the pharmacy before 8am and pay Pulman up to $100 for a box of the medicine, which retailed for about $30.

At a disputed-facts hearing last month, Pulman said he thought he had been "helping police and the community" by selling cold medicine he knew would be turned into P.

Pulman said his community constable had asked him to continue selling the drugs so police could "spread the net and clear up the area".

"I felt that I was helping police and the community in continuing to sell these items," Pulman told the court.

But Justice Edwin Wylie rubbished that idea.

In his determination, Justice Wylie said community constable Noel Surrey denied asking Pulman to sell the cold medicine at a meeting in 2007.

"If Mr Pulman genuinely thought he was selling the drugs under instructions from the police, it seems to me extraordinary that he did not contact the police and discuss the situation with them. His explanation that he was too busy to do so - over a period of years - is in my opinion implausible," Justice Wylie said.

He also said Pulman "did not strike me as an honest witness".

But Justice Wylie found the Crown was unable to prove Pulman made money selling the medicine, despite making $90,000.

Pulman has previously told the court he would put the cash in a box, to be banked with the business takings.

Justice Wylie said Pulman's employers did not notice any discrepancy between the cash banked and the amount of product sold.

"Nor did they assert that Mr Pulman was taking cash from the cash box," Justice Wylie said.

"While I consider that it is unlikely that Mr Pulman obtained no financial benefit from the transactions, I am mindful of the onus of proof contained in [the Sentencing Act]," he said.

THE SCAM

* 1290 boxes of cold medicine - all sold before the pharmacy opened at 8am.

* $100 a box - price to gangs making P.

*$30 a box - price to a normal buyer.

*$90,000 profit - to pharmacist Samuel Ross Pulman.

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Hi Rose, yes, my family in ChCh are ok - I had a long talk with my sister-in-law last night, their old wooden bungalow is absolutely fine, but the homes of two of my nieces are not. It depends on which part of ChCh you live in, as to how bad the damage is. I also talked to my girlfriend this morning, whose house also survived - their only casualty was a jar of olives which fell off their pantry shelf. I've suggested she makes sure the gin is on the bottom shelf, just in case, as the aftershocks continue.....but reality will sink in as further disruption to life reveals itself over the next week.

As for P statistics - the only ones I've ever seen are from Chris Wilkins of Massey University whose life work it is to monitor illicit drug use. His information comes from his loyal band of drug users, which I find absolutely ludicrous. As you say, how reliable would they be????

As well, these statistics are always out of date by the time they're released.

As far as I'm concerned the first issue that matters with regard to P use, is that it's ILLEGAL. So I am completely mystified as to why it's allowed to carry on. As I've said before, robbing houses, exceeding the speed limit and murder are all done voluntarily, and the Police are hellbent on tracking down those offenders - so why not P users who can be handed to them on a plate by their families?

The fact that addiction is difficult to treat is not a reason to ignore it. It CAN be treated very successfully, and Government owes it to society to at least try, rather than wait until after they've committed other crimes to fund their addiction. Early intervention would cost much less than the Courts and Prisons after the crimes have been committed.


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Christine did your family survivie the night in Chch okay? or did they manage to get a plane out? how dreadful for them (& for you at this end with all the worry).

with regard to your post. . .Christine do your statistics contradict those done by the Stella Trust? I don't believe the statistics they present are accurate, but I'm only guessing. However I would have thought "P" USE was enormously more prevalent than the picture the Stellar Trust are painting.

Gee, I'd have thought about 99% of all the "P" users were way to whacked out to even know about the survey let alone care about participating. . . and I'd have thought it far more likely that around 20% of the population had USED "P" & that around 70% of the population knew someone who had used it. . . but as I said I'm only guessing.

Christine do you have statistics you can post here yet? I would love to know.
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One in 5 under-30s have been offered P ?
By Andrew Laxon
5:30 AM Saturday Sep 4, 2010

About 20 per cent of young adults have been offered P and 5 per cent have tried it, according to a new survey on the drug. Campaigners say the results show the problem is far more widespread than previously thought. . . A UMR Research survey for the anti-P Stellar Trust found that 15 per cent of all adults polled knew someone who regularly used methamphetamine or P. Nine per cent said they had been offered it themselves and 2 per cent had tried it.

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The Stellar Trust plans to present the results of the online survey of 1000 people to Prime Minister John Key at its Wellington launch this week.

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One in 5 under-30s have been offered P
By Andrew Laxon
5:30 AM Saturday Sep 4, 2010

About 20 per cent of young adults have been offered P and 5 per cent have tried it, according to a new survey on the drug. Campaigners say the results show the problem is far more widespread than previously thought.

A UMR Research survey for the anti-P Stellar Trust found that 15 per cent of all adults polled knew someone who regularly used methamphetamine or P. Nine per cent said they had been offered it themselves and 2 per cent had tried it.

However, the figures were much higher among 18- to 29-year-olds - 19 per cent said they had been offered the drug and 5 per cent had tried it. Maori polled consistently higher in usage and exposure, with 28 per cent saying they had seen someone use P.

The Stellar Trust plans to present the results of the online survey of 1000 people to Prime Minister John Key at its Wellington launch this week.

Trust chairman Burton Shipley, the husband of former National Prime Minister Jenny Shipley, said the survey showed that only 14 per cent of people believed enough was being done to fight the spread of P, despite the Government's initiatives.

"We agree with the research that we need to be doing more."

The trust has tried unsuccessfully to persuade the Government to provide money for media campaigns and its drug education programme in schools, run by former heroin addict Pat Buckley.

Many officials and independent advisers believe such campaigns are a waste of money - a view Mr Shipley rejected.

"We have our own education programme running alongside the health curriculum in many high schools and the feedback from pupils on that programme is quite stunning."

The trust's patron, Chief Family Court Judge Peter Boshier, said the evidence showed education campaigns did work.

Among people who thought that not enough was being done to fight the spread of P, by far the most popular solution was tougher sentences for dealers and users, including the return of the death sentence (mentioned by 42.8 per cent).

The next most popular were education through either the media or in schools (21.6 per cent) and increased resources for police (12.5 per cent).

The survey also found P was rated as the second most easily available drug after cannabis. It was described as "not difficult at all" to get by 39 per cent, well behind cannabis (69 per cent) but ahead of both Ecstasy (32 per cent) and speed (31 per cent).

UMR said the survey, which also included phone interviews on some questions, had a 3.1 per cent margin of error.

Why does no-one ever ring ME for these surveys?????

An annual survey of drug users released this week reported that P use had stabilised since the drug's "epidemic growth" early in the decade.

But as Denis O'Reilly pointed out - that means P has gone from epidemic to endemic. THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING!!!!!

The Illicit Drug Monitoring System survey of 315 frequent users said the price of a gram of P had risen from $610 in 2006 to $738 in 2009, indicating that large seizures by police and customs were having an effect on smugglers and dealers.

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My new best friend Denis O'Reilly has written an article called "P: Let's give it a miss" which is in the latest edition of Werewolf. Its an excellent article and echoes a lot of what I have been saying all along - but we disagree in one area.

Denis thinks the answer to eliminating P use is to rely, through education, on Users deciding to 'self-prohibit'. I say that we cannot wait that long. All the experts say that P is the hardest drug to quit, and while we sit around waiting, too much damage is being done to the User, their family and the community.

Do we sit around and wait for boy racers to decide they'll stop that activity? Or burglars to decide they'll stop robbing people? Ummmm - Nooooo....We crush cars and throw burglars in jail.

But in the case of P, the Government is allowing the lunatics to run the asylum.

There are ways and means of 'persuading' P users to quit - the National Committee for Addiction Treatment tells us that coerced treatment is as effective as voluntary treatment - SO WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR???

A partnership between families, communities and community Police is surely at least worth trying, in order to steer P users into MANDATORY Treatment.

We know that at least one man has been murdered on my watch, because he wasn't able to quit P even though he wanted to....

I have extracted the following excerpts from Denis O'Reilly's article.
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Back when Werewolf was just beginning to howl (Werewolf 5, November 2009) I wrote an article praising, in general, the Government’s initiatives to counter the importation into, and manufacture, distribution and use of methamphetamine in New Zealand. Now I appreciate that the talk of the moment is about the most readily available and destructive recreational drug available, alcohol – it is assessed that we incur around $1 billion dollars worth of economic and social harm because of illicit drugs but about $3 billion of the same because of alcohol. However, at the risk of seeming like a one trick pony, I’d like to reflect on the methamphetamine issue again and review progress to date.

At this point the reader might say, as many others do, ‘what bullshit, this is just spin’. The prevailing majority view is that gangs (aka ‘Maori youth’ for most NZers) are synonymous with meth manufacture and distribution and rely on these activities to gather vast sums of wealth. Like most such social beliefs this view holds some truth – many of my brothers (and sisters) are players in the meth market. In the main, from my observation, this is to maintain the management of their personal addictions rather than accruing wealth. I may mix with a lower caste but I don’t see rich gangsters.

If there is a link between street crime such as burglaries and methamphetamine usage – and I think that this causality has been clearly established through Dr Chris Wilkins’ research for the NZ Police – then the way the NZ Asian community might best defend itself against this crime is by joining in on the broad movement to combat meth. Maori leaders like Pita Sharples and Tariana Turia and tribal elders are constantly challenged to step up in taking a stance against family violence and child abuse and such, but there is no such expectation made of Melissa Lee or Pansy Wong and the Asian community leadership when it comes to meth imports by their kith and kin.

We have to recognize that the methamphetamine market is dynamic and that there are strong push and pull factors at play. Based on research Dr Chris Wilkins concluded some time back that the NZ meth market had leveled out and was in the ‘maturity’ stage of the product lifecycle. We had moved from an epidemic to an endemic state.

Marketing theory holds that we would then normally expect a slow decline in demand unless there was ‘product re-launch’, a drop in price, a new feature, or a change in the production and distribution chain. I suspect that this has happened. My best intelligence is that what was once a bottle neck at the cooking stage (where the raw material precursors are processed to produce crystal meth) has been ‘syndicated’ by way of cooking schools where the craft of conversion is shared and manufacturing options are multiplied. Supply is strong and I anticipate that fresh research will show a new upward trend in usage. Because the street price has remained stable regardless, I anticipate that there is a new economy in play where a bigger share of the wealth is being gathered at the point of manufacture and the next tier of distribution. So everyone on the supply chain is a winner except the poor mug end-user.

And who might that be? Chris Wilkins’ work suggests the mean age of the typical user is 27 years of age. From my observation meth does not seem to be widely used by younger teenagers but the profile starts to build amongst an older segment of youth on the bridge of adulthood – say 18 years of age or so through to the fifty year olds (and beyond). Users seem to be mainly male but a Iarge number of especially younger women use as well.

In terms of ethnicity there seems to be a disproportionately high representation of Maori, younger and poorer than their Pakeha fellow users. Mike Williams, the Chief Executive of the Stellar Trust describes the New Zealand meth-user profile as looking like a weightlifting dumbbell. He says that there is a big ball of younger, less well off Maori on one end and an equal size ball of relatively wealthy older Pakeha users on the other end with a connecting bar of users running across New Zealand society. The Stellar Trust commissioned UMR to undertake research about awareness levels about and attitudes towards meth use in New Zealand and intend to release their findings early next month. Both Police and Ministry of Health are also engaged in meth use related research projects with Massey University so as time goes on we will get more clarity and less hype about the situation.

Regardless, as long as New Zealanders want to use methamphetamine and are prepared to pay an encouraging enough price then there will be suppliers. This is the immutable truth of the law of supply and demand. In the first five months of this year our border control agencies interdicted methamphetamine precursor products equal to the amount seized in the entire previous year. As a trend that’s bad enough, but when one takes into account that ‘world best practice standards’ for Customs’ interdiction is only 20%, and then multiply the quantities seized by a factor of four, the quantum that gets through is a cause for great concern.

At the moment our border issues are around unprocessed ContacNT which is easily and legally sourced, usually in China, and brought here as the key precursor for conversion into crystal meth. But the market is so dynamic that could change overnight. So, kia tupato on that front. And we have already seen that raising the penalty tariff, as we have done by reclassification of meth to a Class A prohibited substance carrying penalties of up to life imprisonment, hasn’t scared away importers, cooks or distributors. Equally, we have beefed up our ability to detect, track and interdict inbound shipments of meth or its related precursors, but the very volume of imported goods is such that unless we were to look inside every stuffed toy (or whatever means) we’re constrained there too.

So if we can’t stem supply, somehow we have to drive down demand. We will achieve that when people care enough to ‘self-prohibit’, that is, they choose not to use the stuff. At this point the consequences of the law become another aspect of the rationale to quit or not to use in the first place. Other drivers to quit are issues around health, work, money, and relationships. I think it is this latter aspect – the profound negative impact on interpersonal relationships – provides the point of differentiation between meth and most other recreational substances, both licit and illicit.

I’m just a layman but from what I understand meth usage amongst other things damages the synapses that enable the natural transfer of our brain chemicals, and, in particular, the natural uptake of and access to dopamine. In fact there is a meth-related illness called ‘anhedonia’, the inability to experience natural pleasure. To my mind this is why we see people who at one point may have been candidates for mum or dad of the year turn into callous unfeeling childbeaters; see, up until their addiction reared its head, otherwise loving longterm partners turn into feuding fried arseholes; and, witness previously perfectly well adjusted young adults morph into lying, thieving, scumbag, parasites. Meth kills the love button. Meth use and whanau ora are mutually exclusive. There!

So, since John Key put his hand up last year and said “I’ll take charge of this” what’s been done? In the main, the energy has primarily been directed at reducing supply. But, as I’ve indicated, demand reduction through ‘self prohibition’ is probably the only sustainable solution. This is best facilitated by treating the matter as being primarily one of health rather than one of crime and raising awareness about necessary steps towards treatment and recovery. In my experience it looks like most people – lets go for the good old 80/20 split – can get off meth by going cold turkey and relying on the support of family and friends. For those who need clinical treatment the various DHB’s generally have good services available and they are front ended by 0800 787797 Drug Helpline.

I've already declared my bias toward providing education and treatment as a lead response. There’s plenty of international evidence gathered over the past 50 years that the ‘war on drugs’ strategy is a loser. But on the other hand you better have a stick in your hand in some situations. The meth market is dynamic. A supplier with plenty of product can soon stimulate demand by distributing freebies to those who are vacillating, and building a new customer base amongst the curious. Whilst awareness about the deleterious effects of methamphetamine is high in New Zealand, the drug’s seductive characteristics, and the fact that new users can still initially function, leads to a honeymoon period of denial and enables a fresh wave of uptake.

Obviously an important aspect of the meth market is at the interface with the Police. I readily concede that I don’t know what I don’t know, but I was surprised that the two recently busted Asian distribution rings operating out of Skytower were allowed to operate for a long period under surveillance whilst they facilitated distribution of substantial amounts of meth – 3kg (300,000 points and a lot of fucked up Kiwi lives!) in a two month period. They laundered around $20M cash through the in-house pokies whilst authorities sat by. I appreciate that the cops may have been waiting to get a fuller understanding of the market and so forth, and there’s always going to be tension between the needs of the spooks and the wants of the prosecution team, but hell! that $20M of destruction and misery will have created a negative multiplier in terms of family break up, ill health and crime five times that sum.

There’s a similar story I hear at community level where there is common knowledge of meth market activity but the cops seem unwilling or unable to act. This may be because the Police consider that they need firmer or better evidence for a prosecution, whereas the community might well be satisfied if the market was just disrupted and the sellers moved on. In fact a more intelligent application of the principles of social marketing (wherein the ‘costs’ of selling meth were raised and the benefits reduced, and the ‘costs’ of quitting the market were reduced and the benefits of quitting were raised) would help us get a better mix at the interface of the criminal justice (supply reduction) and health sector (demand reduction).

Now try as it might Government will never be able to deliver integrated ‘whole of governmentt’ services from the top. It is not in the nature of the public service beast. Silo behavior is standard operating procedure and brands, turf and budgets are jealously guarded grails. Although John Key has instructed his departmental chiefs to work collaboratively on implementing his meth plan there is no will amongst them for the sort of dialogue that is necessary to resolve the Gordian knot of and intertwined problematics of low Maori economic and social participation, low educational achievement, and high rates of incarceration and drug abuse that are part of the solution to the meth problem. If the Wellington leadership won’t hold the necessary dialogue then there’s not a hope in hell that regional public sector managers will either.
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Scary, isn't it.
And that's why we have to step up to the plate and DEMAND that Government take the necessary steps to stop people from using P, in oder to protect the rest of us.

Sorry Denis, but self-prohibition will never work; we need to take control of the situation.
Denis and I will continue dialogue on this issue until he comes over to my way of thinking !!!
I think he and I would make quite a formidable team.


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Back to business - and I have so many P stories from just the last week that I'll have to post 2 at a time until I clear the backlog.

First up today:

Drugs sting catches worker in the act
Sandra Conchie | 27th August 2010

I won't print the whole article - just the relevant bits....

A Switched On Gardener employee sold undercover cops cannabis cultivation equipment, offered to sell them drugs and even provided handwritten drawings of where to place plants and lights in a growing room.

Todd Andrew Sisson was caught in a major police drugs sting in Tauranga and yesterday faced justice in Tauranga District Court.

The 43-year-old pleaded guilty to five counts of supplying equipment knowing the equipment was being bought to be used for the cultivation of cannabis. He also admitted one count of offering to sell cannabis.

On five occasions between July 17 and 31 last year while working as a retail assistant at the Switched On Gardener store in Tauranga, Sisson sold various types of equipment to undercover police officers who used assumed names.

On July 17, he sold a 400-watt sodium bulb for $50.

On July 30, after giving another undercover cop advice how to set up his growing operation and providing handwritten drawings showing how to place the plants and lights in the grow room, he also sold him a book titled Integral Hydroponics and a magazine titled High Times.

The same day an undercover officer returned to the store to discuss a problem she was having with her cannabis-growing operation, and Sisson sold her a 100-litre bag of growing medium and a 50 litre bag of potting compound.....

When spoken to by police, Sisson stated he had no recollection of the individual sales nor his conversations with the undercover officers.

He told police he was using methamphetamine heavily at the time and there were big holes in his memory of events......

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Drugs found in booze den
By FELICITY ROSS - Taranaki Daily News
Last updated 05:00 27/08/2010

A New Plymouth man has had to close up his illegal booze shop after selling his product to undercover police.

Colin Robert McLellan, 44, appeared in the New Plymouth District Court yesterday and admitted charges of selling liquor without a licence, possessing cannabis, possessing methamphetamine and utensils.

Police prosecutor Lewis Sutton said on July 3 undercover police went to McLellan's home. He escorted them to his laundry where there were between 25 and 50 bottles of alcohol.

Mclellan told his "customers" the cost was $20 a bottle and two were purchased.

A later search warrant revealed not only the contents of McLellan's make-shift bottle store but 350 grams of cannabis, two "point" bags used for methamphetamine and two pipes to smoke it.

When questioned by police McLellan admitted to making the alcohol but said police couldn't prove he sold it.

McLellan was remanded on bail for sentencing on October 13.
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Now in both cases these people were not asking for help to stop their P habit - they were quite happy to carry on using and / or supplying others.

So how is the Government's MethHelp website going to make a dent in this kind of activity?

Answer: it's not.


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OK girls, good to be able to have a laugh about this !

Kelly, I'm not really into that kind of army, the hikoi / march down Queen St type - How many marches have we had throughout the country, that politicians have actually taken notice of ?? Can you think of any? There's already been a P hikoi from Auckland to Parliament (in about 2006), lots of media interest, the pollies all nodded their heads and agreed it was a problem, then went back inside and forgot about it.

I prefer to be more subtle. I'll try every legitimate way to get through to them, and if all else fails we're donning our Emma Peel suits with electronic zappers, sneaking in the back door and taking them by surprise. ZAP ZAP ZAP ZAP ZAP. We'll stop zapping when they meet our demands, or we're carted off by the Police. Either way we'll get the publicity....

That's the final resort though - in the meantime I'm going to try and persuade them 'nicely'.

An army of letters / emails letting them know it's not just me who's concerned about this, would really help.


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I will need to swim the ocean to lose weight to fit the Emma Peel suit.
Don't worry Kelly - you're not alone! I deliberately designed the Emma Peel suit from a special new patented black pvc which reflects the light in a unique way so as to appear pink when viewed from certain angles. The added bonus of this new product is magic! It automatically makes everyone look like a size 10. It even reflects body fat back onto the eyes of the beholder if they're the highly critical, anorexic-skinny type!


Wow that would be great to sell hehehe!! you could get rich!! I am trying to be anorexic everyday.Each morning I wake up I wish I was anorexic at least until I lose all my weight but I only last until dinner time and I'm starving! ...This takes me back to the time when an old friend told me she is now underweight after battling obesity for years and she said the magic formula is "P" and many of her friends do the same and they're all skinny..but no thanks I will keep swimming at the pool and diet as best as I can..

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Don't worry Kelly - you're not alone! I deliberately designed the Emma Peel suit from a special new patented black pvc which reflects the light in a unique way so as to appear pink when viewed from certain angles. The added bonus of this new product is magic! It automatically makes everyone look like a size 10. It even reflects body fat back onto the eyes of the beholder if they're the highly critical, anorexic-skinny type!

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