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 Post subject: Re: Maori issues
PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:09 am 
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Here is an extract from David Round's Breaking Views blog - "Betrayed by Nationa":

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New Zealanders’ fundamental interests are being given away by politicians for no better reason than that they might stay in power. Maori influence has grown to the extent that such a betrayal can be considered, at least in the hot-house atmosphere of Wellington, as something normal and reasonable. That is the reason I say that this deal marks the doom of our country. In Wellington, anyway, and in politically correct circles, Maori have established such a moral ascendancy that they are now able to ask for just about anything they like, and it will be given to them.


You can read the rest here: http://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/


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I wonder if "Te Mowdie are going to pitch in and help fund the repair of the earthquake damage in Canterbury, after all it is in their beloved aotearoa, but I guess they won't claim that natural occurrence, funny that!!!


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http://www.whitireia.ac.nz/courses/pages/coursefilterpage.aspx?FilterBy=Interest&FilterValue=Te+W%c4%81nanga+M%c4%81ori++

Oops, forgot to stick in this link. Great courses. How to race a waka.....


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 Post subject: Re: Maori issues
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Oh dear Amy, the rabbit hole seems to be getting deeper and deeper. Sickening really. How about the following as an example of racism by stealth and a total waste of taxpayer dollars:
Whitireia Polytech in Wellington receives vast amounts of Government Funding, but it holds its head up high because it is committed to "Maori & Pacific peoples". This is a place where you can borrow $150,000 on a student loan to go and get a helicopter licence (and then disappear overseas). And if that makes you wonder, how about the folllowing options:

http://www.whitireia.ac.nz/courses/pages/coursefilterpage.aspx?FilterBy=Interest&FilterValue=Transport+and+Aviation

Some very useful courses there. Their blurb details how they embrace Maori & Pacific students who have been "disadvantaged in education" (means their parents were too dumb to encourage them to study). 3 of the 8 board members are serious Maori sympathisers (I see dear Joris du Bres is there) and their student population is 49% Maori/Poly. Is this a good thing? I think not insofar as tertiary institutions should not get funding to run useless ethnic course. Flax weaving for goodness sake! And how about the corruption> see the following. http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/4030024/Whitireia-student-losses-climb-to-1m Deeper and deeper goes the hole. Does that chick look stupid with that ugly tatt on her face or what?


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 Post subject: Re: Maori issues
PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:31 pm 
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I just saw this today - that we taxpayers have paid $5 million to recompense corporate Maori for a bad deal obviously done years ago. Since when does government compensate private individuals for bad deals?

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$5m to help catch up

The Government has recognised how much money an iwi missed out on through unfair perpetual leases and made a $5 million payment.

Maori Affairs Minister Pita Sharples and Ngati Rarua Atiawa Trust signed a memorandum of understanding at Parliament yesterday.

The Anglican Church acquired the Ngati Rarua Atiawa iwi's land near Motueka under Governor George Grey and Dr Sharples said the payment should have been made a long time ago.
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Yes, I would think JD has hit the proverbial nail on the head. It is well known that crime is behind all of this groups, or they are a front for crime and I'm sure 1080 palls into insignificance compared to protecting whatever nefarious activities are going on in the Uruweras. Remember the terrorist fiasco of not so long ago, well I'm sure there really was something going on there and it won't have stopped - probably just moved further into the bush. They should fly some helicopters overhead - it's amazing that they don't.


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 Post subject: Re: Maori issues
PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:11 pm 
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I reckon you are on to something JD - it doesn't make sense that these Maori activists are going to such lengths to prevent a 1080 drop. They must be hiding something!

And here's another story about Maori demands - this time they want a big chunk of Julian Robertson's valuable Cape Kidnappers property. This is a case where they are claiming some historic right to private land that has been in private hands for years. If they win this case, it does not bode well for the future as any Maori group could make up a claim for nice bits of land and win ownership through the courts - certainly cheaper than trying to buy it!

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By BERNARD CARPINTER - The Dominion Post

National More crims breaching release conditions Teachers not in real world, says PM Taking Kermadec arc off the mining map Daily trivia quiz: August 31 District council takes hard line on 'nuisance neighbours' Whanganui to ban smoking in council-owned parks and reserves Eight years for murder Last-minute push to avert SCF collapse Aryan1 licence plate all about love, not hate Neighbours want paedophile moved Local Maori are claiming a big section of Cape Kidnappers land owned by American billionaire Julian Robertson.

Known as Rangaika, the 130-hectare block has spiritual significance for Maori and was set aside as "native reserve" in the initial land purchase in the area in 1855. It will be transferred to Maori ownership if an application to the Maori Land Court succeeds.

Hastings man John Moananui, the oldest direct male descendant of 19th-century chief Whakato, and his legal researcher, Peter Nee Harland, believe the reserve status has never been changed.

Mr Moananui, who is at present in hospital in Christchurch, is in the process of asking the court to rule on the status of the land.

"That area has great significance for our people, Ngati Hawea," he said. "Our people were actually camped up that way for all those years before Captain Cook came along.

"From that area you could see them coming from both the north and the south, and because of the rugged terrain it was easier to defend."

The area was also an important burial ground for his people.

Rangaika is pastoral land on the southern side of the cape and the northern end of Ocean Beach. It does not include any of Mr Robertson's celebrated golf course or luxury accommodation.

In 1866 Rangaika was granted by the Crown to Karauria Pupu, who later sold it to James Gordon, owner of much of the surrounding land. However, Mr Moananui and Mr Nee Harland argue this sale was invalid.

"Because it's a native reserve he [Karauria Pupu] had trusteeship of it but he didn't own it," Mr Nee Harland said. "It's like a tenant cannot sell a building.

"Among the Maori community they think they have been ripped off by one of their own."

Mr Nee Harland has studied a handwritten official account of what happened in court the day Karauria Pupu was granted the Rangaika land and has a copy of a 1933 deed with the reserve still marked.

If the court rules in Mr Moananui's favour, it would set a precedent that could apply to other reserve lands around New Zealand, Mr Nee Harland believes.

He says he told Mr Robertson about the Rangaika reserve before the American bought the land in 2002. He added that he had a lot of respect for Mr Robertson and his environmental awareness.

To buy the land, Mr Robertson needed Overseas Investment Commission approval. Overseas Investment Office team leader administration Peter Hill said the documents at the time of the sale contained no reference to Rangaika, Maori land or native reserve.

Mr Robertson declined to comment.

Waikato University senior law lecturer Linda Te Aho said Mr Moananui's move was unusual because such claims normally went to the Waitangi Tribunal. "It was very common for individuals who did not have the authority to sell land, to sell."

When claims on such land were upheld and that land was now in private ownership, the Crown would offer claimants other compensation, such as a different piece of land.

If Mr Moananui could show that Rangaika had not been legally sold then the court could find that it was Maori customary land or Maori freehold land, Ms Te Aho said. "It depends on the facts of the case."

The land is within the Hastings District Council area. Mayoral candidate Simon Nixon said that, in general, a lot of Maori land had been grabbed illegally but it was difficult to find satisfactory solutions when the land had been in private ownership for a long time.


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 Post subject: Re: Maori issues
PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:29 am 
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The Dominion Post has an article about road spikes being used to block acces to the Ureweras http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4073449/Spikes-planted-on-Urewera-track
The issue seems to be less about cultural rights and mroe about protecting their drug growing operation. Time New Zealanders realised these radical Maori are part of the drug trade.


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 Post subject: Re: Maori issues
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Oh dear, this spitualism stuff has gone way too far.

However Paul, have you thought about the other interpretation - that the whales were throwing themselves on the beach to tell Maori to back off and forget about objecting to the development.

After all, committing suicide is hardly a sign of support!
I agree Amy, in fact I think this mass whale suicide PROVES the international whale population are definitely against the propsed Foreshore & Seabed legislation, though sadly I very much doubt John Key would listen to their submission either :-(

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 Post subject: Re: Maori issues
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Here's a good article written by Fran O'Sullivan and good on Paula Bennett for at least bringing it up although she has no show in hell of getting any support particularly as her Leader would agree with the so called Maori Elite and be happy to give them more funds to deal with the situation

Maori have duty to help fund their own
By Fran O'Sullivan
5:30 AM Saturday Aug 28, 2010
Hon. Paula Bennett has appealed to Maori elite to help keep abused kids in the care of their iwi. Photo /
The Maori aristocracy has turned a deaf ear to Paula Bennett's plea to them to stump up some of their own cash so abused kids could be placed in iwi rather than state care.
True to form, the tribal leaders haven't bothered themselves sufficiently to make a collective response to Bennett. (Although her office says she is going to explain her proposals further at the invitation of some individual iwi).
The young Cabinet minister went up in my estimation with her blunt message to the iwi leaders' group to "put your hands in your own pockets" to help find families who could take on children from within their own iwi "because the Government doesn't have the money for it right now, quite frankly".
After months of the Key government's craven behaviour towards all things which Maori are corruptly claiming as theirs - like the prized and mineral-rich foreshore and seabed which we all own as Kiwis - it was refreshing to see a Cabinet minister give the tribal chiefs a rev-up.
Ngati Kahu chairwoman Professor Margaret Mutu - one of the more disturbingly remote leaders - said Bennett's suggestion that iwi provide funding and resources was ridiculous.

"We can't. We don't have them. It's a state responsibility. We know how bad it is. We know the helplessness and hopelessness of it, and that we are the only ones who can save ourselves. But we also need resources and the support of the state to do that."
This display of "learned helplessness" from a university professor is deeply worrying. Or does Mutu cling to an outdated belief that only tribal elites - like herself - are capable of bettering themselves?
I very much doubt it. Mutu is one of eight tribal chairs who are very much focused on playing a double game to get ownership of a considerable lump of those assets that are either owned by the Crown on behalf of all New Zealanders - such as the foreshore and seabed - or are tucked up in state-owned enterprises. Or have yet to roll off the Government's drawing boards.
It is indeed true that child-abuse deaths for Maori were on a par with the rest of New Zealand in the mid-1980s. It is also true that Maori jobs vanished out of this economy as the 1980s Labour government demolished the railways, post office and forestry departments of that era.
But the Treaty of Waitangi settlements have also ensured a considerable shift of cash and assets into tribal hands since that time.
A couple of weeks ago I listened in as the head of Ngai Tahu's property company told a bunch of fascinated infrastructure investors how the South Island tribe had grown its portfolio from $2 million to $450 million since 1994.
Tony Sewell (a Pakeha) presented on Ngai Tahu's behalf because its chairman, Mark Solomon, pulled out at the last minute.
The basic gist was that Maori were - contrary to myth-making - relatively rich at a collective level. Maori equity could be as much as $25 billion - although much of it was passive investments tied up in trusts.
Ngai Tahu was itself focused on building an inter-generational portfolio. Their perspective was a 50- to 200-year horizon. But the aim was to have $1 billion under management within a relatively short space of time.
Maori were a pivotal part of "NZ Inc" - major shareholders in dairy giant Fonterra, pastoral farming and the fishing industry and about to be in the preferred position when this Government gets around to sealing the deals on public-private partnerships.
"Collective capitalism is the future, it is our past, it will deliver our potential and now is the hour," was the mantra on the forum's website when it hosted yet another gabfest on how Maori can become major infrastructure investors in New Zealand. Don't get me wrong here.
I am not against Maori having a slice of the pie. What I don't like is the notion which is increasingly prevalent in Government departments that Maori should be in some sort of preferred position because the assets - whether new infrastructure or a slice of an existing Government asset - will always remain in New Zealand ownership and be held for the longer term.
The message Maori are making to the smart money is this: pony-up with us if you want a slice of the Government pie. At a superficial level - the same level which persuaded the Cabinet that our foreshore and seabed should be confiscated by statute and tucked into a nebulous public domain - this is attractive.
It enables ministers to free up some cash for other purposes, knowing that they have some inbuilt cheerleaders in the form of Maori who will clearly be in accord with any move that is in their commercial interest.
It's obvious that Maori are playing a very long-term inter-generational game. But it is time Solomon, Mutu et al took their eyes off the asset grab and exerted some leadership in the interests of the current Maori generation.


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 Post subject: Re: Maori issues
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Oh dear, this spitualism stuff has gone way too far.

However Paul, have you thought about the other interpretation - that the whales were throwing themselves on the beach to tell Maori to back off and forget about objecting to the development.

After all, committing suicide is hardly a sign of support!


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 Post subject: Re: Maori issues
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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/maori/news/article.cfm?c_id=252&objectid=10669046

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It's a sign that they've come to support us.


Right you are Mr Cow Mutterer. Of course the whales died on the beaches to support you. As they do. And if that is a show of support for a local vexatious RMA objection, then heaven help the whale population when the F&S Bill comes up for discussion. Greenpeace and Superstitious Spastics like this "Maori" fool are surely at odds over this? Parekura Horomia & Tamati Kruger should take care lest they also be expected to throw their great selves upon a beach as a sacrifice for the cause.


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Thanks for the link Muriel. Interesting of course, but equally sickening. How is Mark Solomon actually any different to me? He looks like a business man, sounds like a business man, but perhaps the key difference is that he and his racist mates expect to be treated differently because of their racial ancestry. Solomon & the Ngai Tahu Club have their eys on PPP contracts for NZ infrastructure. But of course they will exploit racist legislation to ensure their opportunities are greater than that of anyone else. The ease with which they slide through RMA issues will amaze and anyone else will be equally hindered by "iwi" vexatiously opposing non"-Maori" applicants. It works a bit like the mafia really. If you are in 'da family', then you will be fine. For everyone else, you have to grease the palms of the ruling mob. Ngai Tahu are praised for their business acument, but how about they pay back all the money they were given to kick start them and from here on in they live by the SAME rules as anyone else. No favourable treatment for consents or anything. Then if they thrive, the do so as a fair dinkum NZ entity. Why not? Otherwise we will forever have a domestic breed of citizen that is at best mediocre and living by the adage "If at first you don't succeed, don't worry, someone will just lower the bar for you. Simple eh bro?"


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 Post subject: Re: Maori issues
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Here is a link to this week's "Native Affairs" on Maori TV which examines the iwi leadership forum, an influential group of 57 iwi chair - the Maori tribal aristocracy:

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I agreed with Paula Bennett and good on her.
Ditto Nellie, & about bloody time! However Paula still has to stop persecuting those in genuine need such as those on the Invalids benefit with genuine disabilities/health problems, and instead start cracking the whip a lot more at the ones who really need it - the gangster welfare crims (those who continuously defend their "right" to stay in such dysfunctional relationships where violence and child murder/abuse is perceived to be a normal right of passage. Whenever & wherever there are dangerous people grouping together they should always be disbanded & kept separated, for the safety of humanity.

Here is the article and at least it's a start! http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4048343/Pay-up-to-keep-kids-in-iwi-care However this is the only really decent thing Paula Bennett has done so far for welfare. Why hasn't she had the guts to sack Peter Hughes for his utterly, appallingly despicable track record! By continuing to even pay someone with his obvious total lack of respect for human life, she is only adding to the welfare debt. Corporate welfare beneficiaries should all have been axed long go instead of cutting the tertiary incentive allowance for the disabled & solo parents on the DPB!

But Paula still needs to take a long hard look at her own dysfunctional behaviour in refusing to scrap Whanau Ora & INSTEAD start speaking out AGAINST treating Maori as having "special needs" due to their poor track record of child abuse, and refuse to give her consent to those wishing to reward them by handing them the Foreshore & Seabed on a platter.

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