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 Post subject: Re: NZCPR WEEKLY - feedback ACTING WITHOUT A MANDATE 25.04.10
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Do you believe the affirmation of the United Nations Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples will increase racial division in New Zealand?


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*Everyone of non Maori decent will become tenants in NZ, paying rent to Maori landlords without ever having a right to own their own land. Who will stay in a country like that.... Terry

*It is a sell out. All New Zealanders should be simply New Zealanders by all law, and free to practise their cultures in their own communities if their cultures do not harm others. Colleen

*John Key's government needs to pull back before it's too late. Rob

*Indigenous Rights. Foreshore & seabed. Canterbury water. November 2011?? Ian

*Maori are not indigenous. They are colonialists just as British. Tim

*Most certainly it will. John Key has done more (in his short time in office) to create a separatist/divisive New Zealand than any other party I can recall. Not to mention the secrecy of this agreement. John Key pays lip service to democracy - he takes the attitude that he knows best and to hell with the people who pay his wages and who put him in to power. I voted for John Key with great optimism, but I am optimistic no longer!!! Margaret

*The more you give Maori the more they want. IWI describes them perfectly-I WANT IT. Patrick

*It possibly will, but like a lot of the UN based 'feel good about yourself' rules they have little pragmatic effect. Guy

*Of course it will fuel Maori claims and increase pakeha antagonism to the perceived Maore gravy train. Ken

*Maori are not and never have been, the indigenous people of New Zealand. To say that a race which arrived in NZ in 1350 is indigenous is wrong. They are immigrants just like every other New Zealander. Maori should obtain no benefit from this ridiculous declaration. Doug

*Maori belief that they are indigenous is a myth. The Oxford dictionary defines indigenous as "native belonging naturally". This hardly defines Maori, they arrived here on a sailing boat the same as my relatives in the form they are now. There was no evolutionary period. What sent them to venture beyond the shores of Hawai i ? My guess is it was starvation
They found on arrival another peace loving race had preceded them so they promptly drove them to a location on the Chathams but not before they had decimated large humbers. If you are looking for indigenous people the closest are the Australian Aboriginies who it is estimated they had been there 10,000 years and evolved there. Maori who are not too sure when they arrived as a stone age race and illiterate it is calculated about 300 years before Europeans. Another factor is very few could call themselves Maori now being diluted by breeding. I estimate only about 2-3 per cent would be half caste or more and possibly there are no 100 per cent Maori left here . With this overwhelming evidence how can they possibly call themselved indigenous. John Key why did you sign this document in such a sneaky way? I said within an hour of your election success you were naive and now you have confirmed it. Colin

*NoNoNo Too Nono. But if aunty helen of the red party had her way there would be as the seabed and foreshore is a direct breach of the treaty of waitangi and would have brought parliament into dictatorship control and reds would be pocketing all the perks and douch. Rawiri

*Rights of indigenous Peoples will be used as a device to milk more money from the NZ taxpayer. Before the election National had me convinced that they would put an end to Treaty Settlements so we could all settle down as one people. Instead some of their actions have favoured Maori and created racial division which is further aggravated by this contentious affirmation. Peter

*I wonder if we will now see a secret deal with ACT over the ETS now that Aus has seen the light, I think not. Key is too gutless to stand up to Maori and he is too gutless to over rule Nick - head in the sand - Smith, while I destested Clark I have to say she had bigger balls than Key. John

*The Maori will exploit this UN declaration to the limit in the courts,where they already have a bias in their favour. Laurie

*What a disgraceful display of political maneuvering by Key and the National Party. I find their actions appalling. Chris

*Overwhelmingly YES. It could well be a disaster for the complete community in NZ. Phil

*I see this signing as another another agreement that is going to be extorted and abused in the future. John

*We have always being proud of our unique & close relationship with each other, this is being (not so) now subtley rent apart by the selfish and the self serving. Agitators, whose end objectives are getting good traction, arousing more activisim as the snouts rush to the trough. Key is a disgrace to the oath he took & the country he pledged to serve, He must have been thinking of a wholely indigenous people which all NZers are not,It is ALL NZers who you serve John Key..not a select & greedy few.The lack of public consultation & pre-emptive planning demonstrates deliberate deception, No-one in His position can allow himself naievity of this magnitude..less hes a decendant of pre WW2 British PM Neville Chamberlain. Wayne

*Absolutely yes. I have had enough. I am 64 years old and off to Aussie. Let them have it, stuff it up and the next generation can come back and take over again. I've had a guts full. Graeme

*Another massive error by the current Government. The decline started by Doug Grham in getting the Gravy Train under way, sorry, Treaty Claim. /Just keeps getting worse and worse. Alll other Races who live in NZ are becoming the under priviledged, disavantaged, discriminated against. Appalling to see a once proud country with true racial harmony, descending deeper and deeper into apartheid. Self determination you want? Take a look at Zimbabwe first, stupid idiots! Hugh

*What is 'indigenous'? Certainly not Maori. The signing of the Declaration is, in my mind, sowing the seeds of Civil War in New Zealand. Warren

*Like many NZ'ers I am very uneasy about the increasing racial division seen here. Can we not learn from history, that creating a superclass based on race or religion only leads to atrocities, justified by the radical minority as just compensation for past injustice. Janine

*John Key has got his "do a deal business blinkers" so firmly in place he has lost the ability to view what is happening from a holistic perspective, that is if he had it to start with? The thrill of the deal seems to be firmly entrenched in him and his team. Sandra

*This is an example of another rediculous decision by our government. Remember lowering of the drinking age, anti-smacking, the right-hand road rule fiasco etc. Governments seem unable to make common-sense decisions. Bernie

*The opposite. By suppressing the rights of Maori in NZ we actually create more ethnic tension. This is a step forward in relations between Pakeha and Maori. Amy

*Definitely, because the expectations of those seeking the recognition will be far greater than can ever be accomplished..its natural behaviour to always want more..than would be acceptable if those wishing for more worked harder to get it..not just expect it as of right. Audrey

*I get a little frustrated by the the term Rights of Indigenous Peoples. Every dictionary I have, has quite a few meanings of the word Indigenous, ie, Born of the land, Native of the land, Belonging naturally to a place, A native, Native born, Originating or produced naturally in a country. All of which I believe apply to me and everyone else born in New Zealand. Also what about my wife who is a third generation Moriori, it is all about Maori and not one full blooded one left alive. Neville

*Race based parties will predictably result in race based policies. If John Key does not understand this then John Key should not be the Prime Minister. The naivity shown by this government over the ETS, maori issues, smacking issues etc is unacceptable... the political opportunity for mp's who "cross the floor" is going begging. Murray

*I just don't understand why people are so surprised at the National Party sell out. My surprise is that it is happening quicker than I thought and far, far more blatantly. Last time National were thrown out it was because of their arrogance (read dictatorship). Mike

*OMG! It's already waaaay past division now. I have personally seen the situation getting worse and worse for the last 30 years. It amuses me that every generation takes so long to wake up to it. The most defining political statement ever made was by Don Brash - and look what happened! It's because equality is what we all want and most of us are sick of maori whinging and self victimising behaviour. It's time they stopped being taught in the home that "the white man raped your land and people" and get on with it! We all have 2 arms, 2 legs etc - we all have the same opportunities to make the best of our lives. Peter

*Yes and John Key has walked over the tipping point line with the latest part-Maori appeasement in April. It will result in the refined resentment that M. Laws wrote about,however it would be better if we took our collective shock and anger to the streets and had the politicians abolish Maori seats, consign the Treaty of Waitangi to history and end this racial divide for ever. Monica

*To sneak off a party to the UN, obviously planned & organised well in advance, to sign the “indigenous pipple's rites” charter ( aka gravy train ) smacks of deceit – and a fear that public reaction would be strongly against. Coupled with the Seabed & Foreshore proposal, it smacks of collusion & conspiracy. Whilst one can understand that John Key is trying to ensure that right-of-centre gummints have a better chance of being elected in future by weaning Maori off Labour's teat, the risk of upsetting ( to put it mildly!) a large proportion of National's core support appears to be a high-risk strategy.
There also appears to be a whiff of one-worldism in the seemingly avid support for all things UN – both this and AGW, where we are most definitely “leading the world”. Dave



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Do you believe the affirmation of the United Nations Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples will increase racial division in New Zealand?


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*What a disappointment John Key has become, radical Maori are not interested in a united NZ. NZ racial problems have just been rekindled. JK will not get our family vote next time. BJ

*Something happened behind closed doors when John Key agreed to support Helen Clark's Govt over the Anti-smacking Bill. I suspect that he was ordered to toe the UN line or else... How else can you reconcile the stance he now takes over "Climate Change" and "Indigenous Rights?" Don't let him hoodwink us into thinking that there is no hidden aganda at work. Let us redeem our Democracy before it is too late. Alex

*Of course racial division will increase. Just listen to the venom that passes Hone whatshisface's lips to see where that arrogant so called maori sees himself heading. He has some great plans for the "others" in New Zealand. Time for John Key to stand up if he has the scro.um for it. I am ashamed that he is my MP following the behaviour he and his party have shown. Neil

*Why do we persist in pretending that the Maori special? John

*John Key tries to keep everybody happy and doesn't make a stand on anything which will come back to bite him. Laurie

*We are heading down a pathway that is called Apartheid and look where it took South Africa. Carol

*Of course it will. Who are the workers of this country? Why have we, as the tax payer have no say in how our money is spent. To tell you the truth I think it is time to depart this farce and to leave this country as it is going backwards. Jeanette

*One has only to listen to statements already made by Maori activists since the signing to see what the future effects will be. Barrie

*Absolutely. No question. In addition the economic fallout will be a disaster. Peter

*John Key is a soft bellied fool. No spine and will do anything to keep on side with the politicians that will keep him in power! Donald

*In the most furtive manner possible John Key organised Pita Sharples, his wailing supporters and a Maori TV film crew to travel to New York to make New Zealand a signatory to the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples. Mr Key is pretending that the declaration is only symbolic and is a matter of no great significance or political consequence. However when Mai Chen and the raft of Treaty of Waitangi lawyers get to work on the new explosion of claims for the seabed and foreshore, the ""symbolic declaration"" will suddenly cost New Zealanders a fortune. Will you accept Mr Keys word ever again? I certainly will not. Ernest

*Of course it will. I would like to know why Pita Sharples' visit to sign the Declaration had to be "secret". He and John Key must have known it would be unpopular with the majority (non-Maori). Sheila

*Talk about Jekyl and Hyde. Nationals decision to sign the indigenous peoples declaration puts them further left than labour. We have to ask ourselves what's going on here? First we had the maori flag flying on Govt buildings on Waitangi day, then the move to throw out foreshore & seabeds and now this secret underhand signing of the declaration. This is not traditional National policy and in fact it is a long way from what Key campaigned on so just what is going on???? Is it possible that Key is a one term PM and is setting up as much as he can for his Maori mates before he is thrown out. I for one have watched in dismay just what is going on and have already sent Key an e-mail saying I can no longer vote for him ....for 47 years I have been a National supporter but these guys have blown me out.....Their decisions are so unreal that there has to be a hidden agenda here in my view. Ronmac

*I fail to understand why the government would even consider supporting this UN declaration. Noel

*John Key has been a big disappointment. He never would have been elected if the public had known his true colours. I am glad to hear he is falling in the polls. Jack

*We are supposed to be a Democracy and in a Democracy all people are treated equally. Well it doesn't happen in New Zealand, Maoris are the pampered children of Government and doesn't the Government say racism is wrong??? Eric

*John Key is a very dissapointing leader, he is on the path to creating racial tension such that has never been known in this Country, I fail to see how an Indigenous person can be someone with just a spot of Maori blood irrespective of what the NZ definition of a Maori is, I'm sure the UN didn't intend it this way, I have always been a National Party Member but I am on the verge of resigning my Membership. James

*I do not understand why any goverment would change this law without 1st having a referendum unless they have something to gain. Roydon

*"Separate Development" and "Self-determination" were the terms used in South Africa entrenching "Apartheid". The government does not know how dangerous this sort of thing is. Glenn

*This is definitly not what PM Key and the National Party were voted in to do. They should forget about buying support from the Maori Party for the next election, and concentrate on their own ever slimming chances. Alec

*How can it not - if you are telling one group of people they do not have to abide by the laws all others do of course it will cause more problems. This is scary stuff. Sue

*It is so inevitable I am stunned by John Key's naivety. How could we so misjudge a man we thought would bring back One Law for all New Zealanders? Susan



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Do you believe the affirmation of the United Nations Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples will increase racial division in New Zealand?


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*And it cost the taxpayers a lot for this "racial bribe". Romeo

*The Treaty of Waitangi was but the politics of appeasement when the garrisson was too small to effect real justice and real security against the tyranny of terrorism against the peaceful. This declaration is again the politics of appeasement because the unsatiable desire of the socialist fed public to continuously feed on the nipple of handouts, principle has been sacrificed to the expediency of temporary comfort. Productivity is paralysed to the tyrrany of activism in the forefront of potential terrorism and the public has no appetite to favour a garrison of the just and the productive least it undermine their nipple supply. Act is but a single swimmer in the fast flowing river of Appathy and self interest. Who will turn this tide, the land will drown if the flood gates are not under control. Vern

*Absolute Lunacy and Pandering to vested Interests. I thought the electorate had previously taught former leader Bill English that Leadership is whats required not trying to please and pander to everyone. Stand up and be the leader we hoped you would become John Key. Phil

*We need to define who is a Maori as they are not indigenous to New Zealand. Elsa

*Extremely naive of John Key and a great opportunity for Maori activists. Leo

*If anybody can see an easy dollar a then it is easy to be come hijacked to a racist view point. John

*Giving an expectation to any sectoral group, especially one that is race based, which cannot in all seriousness be acted upon is disingenuous. Just as day follows night, any transfer of the foreshore property rights to the Maori race will undoubtedly lead to racial division, disharmony and unrest. NZ is chosing a path forward that is contrary to all the work and effort that has been made to date to assist in a "colour blind"legal framework for all those living in NZ. Greg

*I despair at this decision: there's hardly a PURE Maori left who could be called an indigenous person; are these people spoiling for a fight? I hope not. Eneka

*Why can't we all be New Zealanders. Perhaps we should get our beads and blankets back. Chris

*I don't know how John Key and his Govt can allow this to happen National supporters at the last election certainly didn't give him a mandate for this. Helen

*The Maori are encouraged to go their own way, this is no good, we all are New Zealanders, we should all be under one law. Theo

*Absolutely!! I don't think we will have any idea of what this declaration will lead to. I for one will consider moving to Australia. The Maori have already proved their total inability to deal justly and fairly with the resources of our country and even the running of their own affairs and whanau. Heaven knows what New Zealand would be like if they gain any kind of sovereignty. What gets me is the fact that they are treating the rest of NZ on a racial basis - exactly the treatment they complained of leading to the current activism. Margaret

*Absolutely!. If Harawira and Iti have their way it could lead to civil war. John Key's ambition to be all things to all men is successful but only so far. This is the tipping point . Peter

*The foolish idea that arriving here in 1350 makes Maori indigenous should be nipped firmly in the bud. Romans arrived in Britain 2000 years ago and the Normans nearly 1000 - neither would claim to be indigenous to Britain. Christopher

*Of course it will. Maori are out to get their hands on as much land as compensation as they can get under the guise "historical wrongdoing" and by signing the UN declaration they have now got another means at their disposal to lay claims before the court at the taxpayers expense. Andy

*Without doubt - this is an irresponsible act by a government I didn't vote for. Michele

*Of course it will. In a family where there is a favourite child the other siblings rightly feel aggrieved. Traditionally all have had equal rights, to health, education etc., although not all have been interested in making the best use of them. Divisiveness is the watchword of some radical elements in our society which is rapidly going to the dogs. Hugh

*It's a cynical contempt for democracy, and will only benefit a corrupt few. Max

*The general populace are sick of the current Treaty of Waitangi claims. Common sense tell us this will only exacerbate the situation. David

*Will it ever we are on the same path as South Africa went. Geoff

*It not only gives Maori the foreshore and seabed but the right to all our infrastructure and taxes. In other words they WILL hold all New Zealanders and New Zealand residents excepting the few Maori in power, to ransom. John

*John Key is nothing but a slimy two faced worm. I cant stand the sight of him and either National gets rid of him or they lose my vote. He makes me sick and I absolutely detest the creature that he is. He has sold out non Maori from the day he was voted in. He has stuffed NZ and we must get rid of him before there is nothing left for him to give away. As for the ETS, well that shows another aspect of his insanity. Chris



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*MOARI APARTHEID is bad enough now...not hard to imagine what fuel this will add to the fire. Moari are NOT INDIGENOUS. Never have been, never will be. The FACT they are all IMMIGRANTS is carefully ignored by moari. Moari, in fact, ATE the Mori-ori who were here before them. Funnily enough, you don't see the moari giving handouts to the Mori-ori for the grievance of eating their forebears. It all comes down to AVARICE. So, Itty-bitty-tama, Unleavened-bread-sharples, Hone-the-tool and all the other brown-boy, fuzzy-wuzzy savages out there: your time is coming. Enough is enough! You push too hard, those of us who have to pay for your GREED may rebel. Mark

*This is a betrayal of all New Zealanders and National continue to go from bad to worse. Fay

*Unfortunately we have some Maori leaders who are very millitant and active racists. Rick

*What do you expect from a Cabinet that is two thirds for One World Government anbd unelected rule by an elite in a world of just 1/2 a billion people. Don't believe me? Just ask a Cabinet Minister in an unguarded moment to have your suspicions confirmed. We have alected a 'tweed;e dum- tweedle dee' fascist progressive group of one world Marxists to replace another group of fascist one world marxists. So goes New Zealand. Democracy? Forget it. We live in a neo-marxist autsocracyu where every three years we get to play at democracy before returning to fascist dictatorship of the elites, both Labour and National. I believe that New Zealanders have four possible choices. Live under a socialist yoke as we now do. Organize a grass roots movement , much like the Tea-0Baggers in the US and challenge the elected members at the Primary stage of selection. Stack selection meeting and out organize party activists to ensure that conservative candidates are selected. Rise up and physically attack the pillars of power in NZ, (don't believe that it hasn't been discussed even by very senior army officers- I was there and left the discussion because it was seditious) or leave the country to its fate. Peter

*If John Key believes in fostering racial harmony in NZ, he has a funny way of showing it. Beverley

*The militant Maori will make sure to enforce this act making everything John Key said null and void. Janet

*Does anyone else wonder what is driving the United Nations these days? How many truly indigenous people do we have in New Zealand now? Maori already have privileges others would like. Racial division has worsened over the past three decades and I see it growing worse. Time we were all New Zealanders! Dorothy

*This ridiculous signing will have maoris wanting more and more. The maoris stole the land from the morioris -- so why are they pretending to be the first inhabitants of New Zealand?? The gravy train must stop NOW!! Alan

*The treaty in 1840 gave all new zealanders equal rights. We are heading for racial segregation, not the spirit of the treaty. Wake up new zealanders, say no to racial hatred and division. Ron



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*One only has to look around the western world to see the effects of divisive legislation in action. The dog shold only have one tail!! Neal

*I'm at a point where I am so sick of this generation having more costs foisted on them to pay Maori that I'm ready to leave my country. Maori would love that too. It goes without say that eventually Maori will have to start paying because everybody else will have left the country. Graeme

*Its a given, Maori are hell bent on taking everything they can get for nothing. Albyn

*This "argreement" made by our government, in secrecy, without going through parliamentary process gives one race power and privileges over the rest of the citizens. In typical Marxist manner, the discriniation is a one way street. I.e. Only coloured people, women and homsexuals can be discriminated against. If they do it to the rest of us, that's OK. How naive is John Key in believing this monstrous thing will not have any actual effect on us?!! What I am hearing from increasing numbers of important and growing numbers of powerful Maori leaders is all too similar to Robert Mugabe and Fiji's Banimairama. No wonder more and more of New Zealand's best and brightest young people are leaving in droves for Australia. Duncan

*Absolutely. It's long been my view that the only issue that could see me leave New Zealand permanently would be racial problems. This move by National brings me one step closer to that sad day. David

*This is a disaster for NZ. The consequences are far reaching. I resigned from the National Party the moment I heard it announced on Radio. Tom

*I am a parent. If for any reason I make a family decision based on guilt it is almost ALWAYS a bad decision. Please National make good decisions for all, not guilt ridden decisions for a vocal sub group! Bruce

*If John Key did not accept the UN policy and NZ just continued down the current path of never ending Treaty settlements then I believe that Maori would also continue there misguided race based view’s. I believe JK thinks that the on going battle with Maori can not be won so he is saying let them have it ALL – as a quick fix to enable NZ to move out of this two horse race (Maori Vs all other NZ citizens). John Keys business mindset say’s that “in the end Maori will be the ones that still have to deal with the Western World in modern terms to survive so we will all be OK”. However what JK has not taken into account is that the vast majority of NZ people will be negatively affected by this creeping change of power. In the next two decades radical Maori will drive an even larger wedge into our Society to achieve the true long term goal of ruling ALL NZ Citizens with raced based policies – similar to Fiji and other radical countries that are using either race or religion as the political tool. The current leaders of the Maori party are race based terrorists – no different to religious terrorists. It does not matter which side of the race based fence you sit on – this country is falling into a black hole that will not benefit it’s present or future citizens. NZ will in the next twenty years become an economy and nation that mirrors the current vast majority of Pacific and middle eastern nations that are ruled by the elite minority. The end result will be a total collapse of our countries core structure’s due to the best and brightest leaving NZ in numbers never seen before. I hope that my views are misguided? Mark

*Yes. I am a Maori and have had enough of the Tribal/Collectivist groups that expouse that they are representing Maori. They are certainly not my representatives. Also, the UN is the biggest joke in the international community - a Socialist group if ever there was one. All we need is more Govt. We need to reduce Govt. to it's rightfull place through a Constitution based on protecting the smallest minority - the Individual. Govt's function should be reduced to Law & Order & Defence. Chris

*The majority of NZers are very uneasy about treaty and seabed matters. Don Brash touched on that unease. I agree with all the content fo your letter. Roderick

*I do not trust Maori leadership when it comes to fairness of outcomes for all people together. Peter

*It is a sad day for all New Zealanders when a Government can endorse such an action without public mandate. Clearly they will pit New Zealanders against each other for the benefit of their puppet masters and their own political self interests. Certainly not for the New Zealanders that elected them to make decisions and govern in the best interest of us all. Graeme

*This is the same party that insists on an ETS. What on earth is going on? Are they just naive or stupid or is there something happening behind the scenes? Like all these things - follow the money! Chris



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*Most definitely like we never believed in our wildest dreams. What a sorry mess this very naive National Government is making. To think we thought they would end racial divisions once and for all - how wrong we were. They are exacerbating the problem like we have never seen before. However Maori are not indigenous as they came in boats the same as our forbears so in reality this Declaration doesn't really apply to them. B & H

*Very much in agreement. Hope the politicians take note. Dorcas

*I find the behaviour of our politicians quite disgusting. Peter

*Heck YES!!!!!!!! Maori are not indigenous to this country, they sailed here just like later arriving peoples. They are no different than any other settler. So they should not be covered by the indigenous peoples rights. This piece of paper is going to do terrible harm to the economic and social fabric of this country. Although the Waitangi treaty isn't perfect it is a much better foundation for a peaceful NZ than this recent UN bill. And National had NO Mandate from the people of this country to to affirm this piece of trouble paper. Wendy

*Just another nail in the coffin of NZ as a first world country. Unbelievable that National did this in secret. What kind of democratic process is that? Gary

*I'm so sick of being ignored .... no party currently deserves my mandate! Andy

*Overheard in corridor's of Parliament just before the last election " Don't worry Helen, if the twat's kick you out I'll carry on your good work" reply was "thank's John" John

*We now have the spectre of Maori having all rights in NZ while the rest of us become citizens of no fixed abode. I suggest that a large proportion of NZrs are more indigenous than many Maori who have recent immigrants as their parents or grandparents. A lot of us have several generations on both sides of our families of being in NZ - while many Maori can't actually say that! Grant

*It is now clear that National is aiming to introduce a two-tier citizenship, based on race, rather than a one law for all system, as guaranteed under the Treaty of Waitangi. Alan

*This just sets the scene for Maori to up the anti on the already unjustified claims and much more. There will be trouble ahead; there is no doubt. Bruce

*Welcome to the socialist tribal dictatorship of Aoteoroa... It's just as well that we are in the final days of planet earth - the foolishness, graft, nepotism and corruption that is about to spill thru NZ at the hands of UN puppets like National, and wicked tribalists like the Maori party, would truly ruin us were it allowed to run it's course. What we need now is a good, old-fashioned coup and revolution. Anyone know someone with an army for hire? Anyone got a few hundred million spare to bankroll such a needed, if radical, change? It's true what is said: once the "people" exchange freedom for license, the next step is dependency, and the one after that is bondage. Myself, I'm not enjoying the start of the bondage stage in the least - how about yourselves? Peter

*Absolutely yes! Shortly we will all be needing firearms to protect our properties all because politicians are gutless to put a stop to the racial based policy and Maori keep viewing life in the past which limits their future. Nigel

*Maori already have more privileges than white New Zealanders, this will only exacerbate the problem. Neil

*I cannot understand why the media haven't hounded Key over his sneakiness. I have never seen such a sneaky thing done before. Lorna

*If I were pre and not post retirement age I would seriously consider becoming a naturalized Australian. Helen Clark created uncertainty and division. John Key gave hope for a united NZ. Funny how even Clark's politics appear relatively tame in comparison. Cyril

*History shows that when a country starts to go down the path of racial or religious separation it ultimately leads to war and a complete disintegration of the nation. Perhaps this is what these fanatics want! John

*It will open up another round of claims & compensation. The country is bleeding enough from all the claims. Ian

*Definitely it was done in a backhanded way that would do nothing to improve relations. Clark

*Agree with you excellent comentary and feel as strongly as you do. Keep up this good work. Aaron

*Radicals like Hone Harawira will see this as further affirmation that they are right. God help NZ! Martin

*I am dsgusted at the lack of time and information given to the public about these proposed changes. Victor



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 Post subject: Re: NZCPR WEEKLY - feedback ACTING WITHOUT A MANDATE 25.04.10
PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:29 pm 
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This week's poll asks:

Do you believe the affirmation of the United Nations Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples will increase racial division in New Zealand?

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*1. Separatism is the establishment of a nation within a nation. Some would call it treason.
2. Civil wars are fought around separatism.
3. For those interested in NZ becoming a state of Australia - forget it!. Australia has a big enough problem with the aboriginal separatist movement and would reject inheriting an even bigger one!!!
Nick

*Racial Preferences, race based Political Parties, race based special Parliamentary seats etc are inherently separatist and contrary to fairness and democracy. Most developed countries in the world oppose political systems based on race colour,ethnicity,national origin or religion. New Zealand is going down the wrong track. Gavin

*Of course it will - we don't seem to be a one nation anymore. Nancy

*There were no indigenous people in NZ! We are multicultural. Ron

*What a disaster - this is not why we voted in National. We expected them to end racism not make it worse. Jim

*NZ is becoming a divided nation. It's incredable that it is the National Party that is leading NZ down that divide. Peter

*Of course it will. The PM is showing his political inexperience. The Maori Party is running rings around him! And ACT is being shafted! JD

*We already have racial division in NZ. Because it is brown slagging off white it doesn't register as offensive. DRIP is adding fuel to the fire. Murray

*It was the firm intention of those liberal/Communistic in the United Nations together with those on the Green/Left to destroy New Zealand Race Relations. Brian

*The Government is already working with the Maori in full view of the public, this affirmation is only informing the rest of the World. John Key is MANAGING the issues,unlike Helen Clarke who dictated. Geoff

*The affirmation by the government will unquestionably lead to further and rapid deterioration of race relations in this country. There will inevitably result in a landslide of claims by all tribes even for the most trivial item. I fear for the future of New Zealand and the safety of people of all races if this stupidity continues to its ultimate conclusion. Ray



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 Post subject: NZCPR WEEKLY - feedback ACTING WITHOUT A MANDATE 25.04.10
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Muriel,

Here a sort of "pro forma" submission for people who would like to have a say but don't know how to go about it.

Hopefully it might be useful.

Kind regards.
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Reviewing the Foreshore and Seabed Act 2004 - Submission

I am responding as an individual.

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Address and contact details:

I submit that the the Foreshore and Seabed Act 2004 should NOT be repealed.

My reasons are as follows:


1. Crown’s Treaty obligations

Sovereignty over New Zealand – which included the foreshore and seabed – was vested in the Crown with the signing of the Treaty of Waitangi. At this time the Crown (the Government of New Zealand) accepted responsibility to administer and defend the country’s borders on behalf of all the people.

I submit that any attempt by any subsequent elected government to divest itself of this responsibility is contrary to the intention of the Treaty. Therefore the Foreshore and Seabed Act 2004 should not be repealed.


2. “Customary title” unaccceptable

The present Government’s proposal to declare the foreshore and seabed “public domain/takiwa iwi whanui”, described as land which is owned by no one (although no formal and agreed translation of “takiwa iwi whanui” has been given), allows for claims to ownership of parts of the foreshore and seabed by Maori under a concept of “customary title” – which also has not yet been defined or agreed upon.

I submit that historical claims to the foreshore and seabed were extinguished by the Treaty of Waitangi, which agreement was subsequently confirmed by the Foreshore and Seabed Act 2004. Therefore the 2004 Act should not be repealed.


3. Lack of public consultation

There has been a lack of proper public consultation on the major question of whether or not the 2004 Act should be repealed. The poorly-publicised meetings held throughout the country by the Attorney-General, Hon Christopher Finlayson, were specifically forbidden to discuss this main issue, and the only discussion permitted was on the details of the Government’s alternative proposal. These meetings therefore can not be regarded as “public consultation”.

The only opportunity for the public to express an opinion on the main issue is to make a formal submission to the Ministry of Justice. The 12-page submission form available on the internet deals mostly with the details of the Government’s proposal, and the time frame allowed for submissions – three weeks – is unfairly short.

I submit, therefore, that the Government’s present campaign has not properly tested the opinion of all New Zealanders, and therefore should be abandoned.


4. Racial harmony

I submit that to allow claims to the coastal territory of New Zealand based on racial grounds would be divisive and harmful to the principle of unity of all peoples under a single government and legal system. Therefore the 2004 Act should not be repealed.



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