NZ Centre for Political Research

This week's poll asks:

Are you supportive of the establishment of Whanau Ora?

*A racist act that will achieve only more heart ache for the Maori who want the best for their families and are being deceived by their leaders. Ann

*As a NZ native born european I feel that my country is slowly being taken away from me and I will eventually become a prisoner in my own land. We must ahve one land, one people not a compulsary racial divided land. Peter

*During the last term of the Labour Govt. they created a massive number of State Trusts whose advertised purpose was to "help Maori to catch up". Recently I heard that these Trusts are now costing the tax payer one billion dollars per year. As far as I can make out Whanau Ora is a duplication of these trusts and is eventually expected to cost the tax payer another one billion dollars per year. If these trusts are not doing their job properly then their funds should be withdrawn and paid to Whanau Ora in the hope (probably misguided) that they will do a better job.Better still Maori should be made to mstand on their own two feet like the rest of us have to. Ray

*I believe the scheme is but a first major step in a range of initiatives people like John Tamahere wish to set in place. I am aware they wish to gain direct control over the method of distributing benefits to Maori to ensure the benefit money is spent on things other than tobacco, drugs, and alcohol. Given The Waipereira Trust is putting up $20 million, I believe these folk really wish to make a difference within Maoridom. Let's face it, no previous regime has worked, and the description of Whanu Ora seems credible in it's thrust and aims. David

*It is going to be yet another racist run soak of taxpayer funds. Hugh

*There is no place in NZ for race based organisations, be they government committees or sports teams. Basing selection on race is unacceptable. Doing away with selection by race means people would be selected by ability....what a novel idea!! Bernie

*Absolutely. When too many legeslation have been introduce and supported by rednecks that have continually reduced the effectiveness of parental control and supports for same, whanau ora will show a better way, and we will see a reduction in events like stabbings dispite the continual intimidation by the rednecks and external influences. Rawiri

*This pathway ends in civil war. Robert

*Not overly enthusiastic for the concept, as it merely concentrates (more) funding into tribal hands. Given their propensity for blowing “opium” (OPM, other peoples money), I can foresee a greater opportunity for corruption & malfeasance. Whether this will be better or worse than the current situation is anybody's guess ! Dave

*Our pesent government seems to be delibeately causing a split in the people of New Zealand. Leo

*Are there any non Maori authorities that are aware of their bias toward an English colonial world view, from which their entire communication premise is founded toward addressing Maori and the issues there in (Education, Health, Justice, Income). When addressing the whanau ora of a family from the colonist world view, 2 worlds clash and disharmony flourishes. There is no empathy or awareness. If you get someone(any authority, Tribal or otherwise) in to do it right, it has to be from a Maori world view. That is the essence of the Whanau Ora package. Apply it from that premise. Robert

*How come Turiana Turia gets to determine her own form of govt. when she cannot control her own body? Too many hangis, huis; not enough do-ies. She would be better occupied teaching part- Maori how to eat healthier, not subjecting them to lifetime of welfare and cultural entrapment. Monica

*Waste of money. Encourages more separatism. Josie

*It is theft, transparent theft. Eneka

This week's poll asks:

Are you supportive of the establishment of Whanau Ora?

*1. Welfare is universal and should not be bound to or by race.
2. Once in control the pressure to create benefits for Maori that are different to the rest of New Zealanders will be profound.
3. A Referendum may be necessary to break the hold over 89% of the political system that is exercised by the minority Maori Party.
4. Most Maoris outside of Parliament are fair minded people - this is politics and power for the party and not for the people.
5. Obviously, many believed that finally a Prime Minister had emerged who stands for national interest - but this is not the case. Mr Keys is working for a job on the world stage and the country comes second. Nick

*Another plank towards Maori separatism. We are increasingly moving away from the the "one people" meaning of the Treaty of Waitangi. Graham

*Too mollycoddling, racial and divisive of our people. George

*I believe Tariana has good intentions and is acting out a dream but the hard facts are that almost all State Maori initiatives of this nature are accompanied by corruption often to which a benign timid blind eye is turned by the Departmental Boffins and politicians. Just think Mallard/Wananga. Rocky

*It is very racist and is not likely to help the Maoris anyway. Tony

*I believe it will be a good thing for Maori. I feel that some of your comments regarding this are bordering on being 'scare tatics'. John

*Well, perhaps if there are similar programmes for Asians, Europeans and all the other ethnic groups in NZ. If not, then this is just another race-based policy that takes us one step closer to separate development. Whatever happened Maori obligations and responsibilities under the Treaty. Perhaps once all the Maori claims are settled the Crown can then submit their claims for the breaches by Maori over the last 150 years. Oooo, there goes another flying pig. Gary

*We as New Zealanders need to unite under one identity that has emerged over the past 100 years - the Kiwi Culture. Whanau Ora promotes separatism and denies the existence of a unified people identified by unity in diversity. Keith

*The ruling power behind sentiments and bitterness continue to bind many Maori,but not all.When we pay back huge mounts of money for land, some supposedly stolen,some not, and then apologise for the wrongs Paheha has done to Maori we miss a very impotant element for reconcilliation. I haven't yet seen or heard the Maori respond with love, acceptance,and forgiveness after Pakeha have apologised and payed huge compensation. If we want to heal wounds of broken relationships the Maori must respond and say to Pakeha, we forgive you and accept, and thankyou, for your apology.
Only then, will the settlements gain ground.Forgivenes is a very powerful thing. We held a service here at VCC where we invited all Maori in the service(130 approx) to come forward and stand on the stage, and we all apologised for all the wrongs that we had done to Maori over 240 years.Then I got the Maori to reply, and accept our apology, and forgive Pakeha for all the wrongs they had done.WOW! people were weeping profusely, some very loud, and there were hugs all round it was an amazing healing experience.We then all had communion together.
Incidently, we sent the tape to our Missionaries in Northern Uganda, where two tribes were warring against each other, and our Missionaries got the leaders together and played our tape from NZ. Both sides repented, and confessed of what they had done to each other and reconciliation and healing took place. New Zealanders, we will not get reconciliation with Maori by just giving money to them.. there has to be reciprical forgiveness to close the issues down. Until this happens, the problem will remain, and the roots of bitterness and resentment will remain. I arrest my case. Max

This week's poll asks:

Are you supportive of the establishment of Whanau Ora?

*And especially not when I have to pay for it in the light of the billions of dollars of taxpayers money the Maoris have already weasled from us. They now have enough to pay for themselves and fund all their racist schemes. Anything for Maori should be paid for exclusively by Maori. Not with extra taxpayers dollars The racist party should go and so should their sugar daddy John Key!! Grahame

*It is well passed time that a proof of being a Maori by a DNA count is put into place, this practice must be stamped out it is getting out of hand. John

*Absolutely not. Apartheid in reverse. Neil

*The presumed effectiveness of Whanau Ora is nothing but wishful thinking. Where is the evidence that it will positive social ends? Bruce

*If a "New Zealander" needs support they should get it from the existing public service. If the public service want to outsource delivery then sack the public service; but don't push the funds into a race-based organisation. John

*Definitely NO. This is simply just another trainload of money heading into a race based enterprise. Paul

*I can't imagine any thinking person agreeing with this. As for JK, well what can one say. I really thought he would have waited for a second term to come up with any nonsense like this. Just another pander to 2% vote of the population. Totally disgusting and we used to think apartheid was bad. It is going to be nothing compared to where NZ is going. The end as we know it is nigh. I'm worried about when Australia is going to say enough is enough and we don't want anymore of you guys. Then it will really be too late for all thinking kiwis to get out. Graeme

*Every one of these racist steps takes us further toward total racial disharmony in NZ. Do people never learn by the experiences of other countries? Look at Africa for examples. You cannot correct past injustice or wrongs by throwing money at that sepcial group. Society needs to just grow up and mature, and get on with life as it is today. Hugh

*I am not supportive of any policy which favours one group of citizens over another. The Maori people have had enough hand outs by way of "compensation" to pay for such experiments themselves. There is plenty of scope in the existing systems which are in place to solve these issues and the creation of another will not achieve its promoted objects but may well achieve its hidden agenda. Why are we continuing to be sucked into the vacuum which is Maori aspirations to self governance when they deliberately set out to make the existing system fail them blaming a pakeha focus for their lack of understanding and achievement. Mike

*Maori's first poor ol'e NZ's last whatever next ? Ken

*Racism is racism in any guise. And it is all evil. Mike

*The more we support Maori the more they want. Mary

*Maori are already the cause of a declining moral society without pumping more more money into the machine. Roy

*I want all people to stand on their own feet; if Maori are concerned for their own they need to get together and self fund and find solutions. But they remain just ordinary New Zealanders like the rest of us, not unjust recipients of huge portions of our tax money. Colleen

*Many considered objections, including no likely capacity to effect, yet only the certainty of yet more million dollar hands-in-the-till thievery such as we see many times already from Maori "service providers" ... Lex

*Hand outs are making The part Maoris believe we all owe them a living. Jim

*Imagine if it was a whites only outfit, people have just about had a guts full of all this brown noseing. Is it not racial discrimination in reverse? Murray

*I do not support any race/ethnic based solutions which will increase benefit dependency. Whanau Ora clearly is an option solely for Maori. What is the equivalent for other Ethnic Groups?? Nothing? Problems exists in all Ethnic Groups and should have the same recognition. Are we moving to a position where one group is more equal than the other - Animal Farm socialism/communism all over again. Louis

*NZ is beginning to look like the Old South Africa, one law for the whites and one for the Maori I went to anti SA demonstrations, are we likely to have anti NZ marches in CapeTown?? Eddie

*This is further division of the country on racist grounds. Giving money to Maori never has and never will solve their problems, they must learn to make their own way in this country. Peter

*Sitting here in the luxury of my other home, namely the Gold Coast of Australia I get a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach reading your news letter today. If this continued Moarification of NZ by this National Government who I supported continues I doubt I will want to come home later in the year. In fact I might not have a home to come home to because Moaridom will have taken my home over and I will be an unwanted white man. Albyn

*Sheer folly which creates yet more separatism in NZ Society. Peter

*Even if the majority of NZers voiced their objections to the Whanau Ora, history has shown that Government is likely to ignore it. When will our politicians start listening to what ordinary NZers are saying about issues like this? Jacky

*The actions of the current Government are going to lead to massive racial problems in the long term. NZers do not want a divided nation. Robyn

This week's poll asks:

Are you supportive of the establishment of Whanau Ora?

*Further expensive move in the ever increasing pace to entrench apartheid. Just so dumb! Stewart

*One nation = One people not two where one has its hand out all the time. John

*This separation policy must be destroyed by any means possible. Otherwise Civil War will be the only future our grandchildren or great grandchildren will have. In the words of Voltaire 'Ecrasez I'infame'. Brian

*Definitely not too much is being given to the Maoris, this is one country one people but the radicals and the powers to be are doing their damdest to divide us. Clark

*The whole idea of the Whanau Ora is patently ridiculous. Like a lot of foreign aid, the bulk of the money goes into the pockets of the people administering the aid, and not to the people in need of it. Ken

*With all the major political parties, apart from ACT and NZ first, supporting racist policies there is little hope for any change away from separatism in the near future. John

*As a famous Ad put it. Iwi or Kiwi. Alastair

*It seems like the Governments efforts to reduce Government Departmental expenditure/spending, is covertly designed to move sacks of budgeted money sideways towards this new racist organisation. Vic

*When will the separatism stop? It is high time all New Zealanders were treated as one! Same laws, same priveliges same punishments! Dominic

*Definitely not - another Separatist policy by a Govt that becomes more disappinting by the day. Craig

*I am appalled at the racist policies which have been legalised in such a short time by a government which campaigned for One Law for all NZers. Susan

*What is this country coming to? We are in the middle of a recession where good honest business people are struggling to survive - they are struggling to find enough work to keep their employees in work - they are taxed at every turn - they are railroaded with a myriad of legislation - then our Government wants to throw money at this sort of thing. It just doesn't make sense.

Children must be taken from parents who cannot provide for them - who cannot control them - who cannot teach them to be good decent law-abiding citizens of our country.

Welfare reform has to be addressed. Welfare has to be slaughtered. Otherwise we will be left with a country of beneficiaries - all the tax payers (who actually EARN a living) will head overseas. How will the country survive then?

When will our Politicians talk common sense. It is very black and white. It is not grey as some would suggest.

A lot of us cannot afford to do a lot of things we would like to do. Similarly, our country cannot afford to throw tax payers money away. Delwyn

*Again, it is likely to be a case of pouring money into a big black hole with lack of accountability for how funding is used, and with probably little or no real return. Arthur

This week's poll asks:

Are you supportive of the establishment of Whanau Ora?

*What is behind these racist actions by the Govt I regretfully voted for? I am disgusted and will certainly not vote for them again. Key and Finlayson are very dangerous racists. This latest experiment which necessitates throwing massive amounts of money at part Maori will be another gravy train with a massive Maori bureaucracy with lovely bank balances and flash silk underwear but the problems will remain. It is time these brown people were told to grow up and join the rest of us in the modern world. They have had plenty of time to "assimmilate" as the successful part Maori have done. Carolyn

*It's dangerously racist, despite what the PM says. Bernard

*Like very many others, I am not supportive of any agenda which leads to separatism. If this kind of thing was suggested for any other race, there would be an outcry to say the least. I am truly disappointed in our government and the way it is heading - we should be making an effort to make us all one and no privilege for any race. The opportunities are there for all from pre-school age! Dorothy

*Of course not - but it's too late - this country is now divided and is unlikely to come together for the next century. NZ is a country that has two major groups - Maori and all the rest. And Maori are the ones being funded to ensure that their agenda remains. I firmly believe that NZ is heading the way of Fiji and other countries where a majority is held to ransom by a privileged minority - South Africa's old system of apartheid is alive and well here. And it will eventually end the same way - in violence and a citizen uprising against the ruling hierocracy. I see this National Government going to the wall at the next election as a massive rejection of all things Maori - but of course there are no real alternatives - NZ is heading to absolute chaos - time to get the hell out - if you have an education, ambition for yourself and your family, regardless of race - go elsewhere and leave Maori to govern themselves and to descend into tribal oblivion. Grant

*Absolutely not - concept is fine but why set up a new bureacracy to manage something already in place. Duplication by a bunch of newbies is just a disaster in waiting. Especially a 100% culturally based bureacracy, which is not outcome based. Cliff

*Australia is looking better & better. Maurice

*Why is ACT not being more vocal about this? Nigel

*AS if this greedy damn national govt will listen or take heed of petitions. Rick

*Whanau Ora is extremely light on detail which is a John Key ploy to keep the taxpayers in ignorance and then declare a fait accompli. We saw it is the secret agenda Key had before the election,to favour Maori with entrenched separatism in mind. U.N. Nations Indigenous Charter for a race of people who are immigrants who just came from another place.
The Urewera National Park and Lake Waikaremoana which NEARLY changed hands even though it was National Party policy to leave National parks out of Treaty Settlements. Colin

*Only 1 law for all, equal opportunity for all will create a just society. This pathway is nonsense! Bruce

*What tax payer in their right mind would be? Nothing to do with me now, I am living a great life in the Philippines. Murray

*Another dive into my wallet that I did not vote for. Phil

*I agree with the article that it will gobble up lots more taxpayers money. Fay

*It's just plain dumb and a sop to the Maori Party - does nothing for NZ and us, the taxpayers who must fund it against our will. Chris

*Blatantly racist organisation for the benefit of halfpy Maori. Ian

*No its just another step towards inverse racism...who needs that..Maori need to take a good hard look at themselves and start acting in their own right to collectively sort their problems out...its their problems. Audrey

*No ... unless it is funded by Maori from Treaty of Waitangi settlements or if the funds are sourced from only Maori tax payers.However, such a notion is fanciful in the extreme, with social problems being dominated in all areas by Maori. It's pretty obvious that Whanau Ora is simply another gravy train for Maori Sovereignty activists. The Welfare trap that ensnares young Maori girls into getting pregnant ... is in many Maori families compulsory. If the girls are not getting pregnant by choice then they are forcibly inseminated by brothers and uncles and fathers. Disgusting lowlifes. Then us stupid whitey tax payers pay for them for the rest of their useless, theiving, dirty lives. Dianna

*Is John Key out of his depth? Lorna

*This is the start of a form of "Apartheid". Similar language was used in South Africa - such as "self-determination". This is taking away racial equality. Glenn

This week's poll asks:

Are you supportive of the establishment of Whanau Ora?

*Until further details are publicly provided I don't trust the process nor system proposed. Reid

*Racial separatism should never be a policy of our government. Rob

*Part of the problem is that Child Youth and Family is not capable of performing effectively and small local community trusts have proved to be far more effective. John

*Throw millions at this just to receive more Maori aggressive behaviour????? Neville

*All racial distinction in legislation must be abolished. Murray

*There is now to much Maori P C crap in NZ. Clive

*I regret I voted for John Key. Never again! I will vote for any Party that will revoke this nonsense Whanau Ora legislation. Robin

*Appartheid translated means "separate development" I worry......(Ex South African). Ken

*Absolutely NOT!!!! It is NZ own apartheid healthcare system for one group of people only!!!! Just like the myth that some (most!!) NZ'ers will be denied access to LARGE portions of NZ's coastline if this GOVT is silly enough to handover ANY control to one emigrant ethnic minority!!!!!!! Dave

*What is behind these racist actions by the Govt I regretfully voted for? I am disgusted and will certainly not vote for them again. Key and Finlayson are very dangerous racists. This latest experiment which necessitates throwing massive amounts of money at part Maori will be another gravy train with a massive Maori bureaucracy with lovely bank balances and flash silk underwear but the problems will remain. It is time these brown people were told to grow up and join the rest of us in the modern world. They have had plenty of time to "assimmilate" as the successful part Maori have done. Carolyn

*It's dangerously racist, despite what the PM says. Bernard

*Like very many others, I am not supportive of any agenda which leads to separatism. If this kind of thing was suggested for any other race, there would be an outcry to say the least. I am truly disappointed in our government and the way it is heading - we should be making an effort to make us all one and no privilege for any race. The opportunities are there for all from pre-school age! Dorothy

*Of course not - but it's too late - this country is now divided and is unlikely to come together for the next century. NZ is a country that has two major groups - Maori and all the rest. And Maori are the ones being funded to ensure that their agenda remains. I firmly believe that NZ is heading the way of Fiji and other countries where a majority is held to ransom by a privileged minority - South Africa's old system of apartheid is alive and well here. Andit will eventually end the same way - in violence and a citizen uprising against the ruling hierocracy. I see this National Government going to the wall at the next election as a massive rejection of all things Maori - but of course there are no real alternatives - NZ is heading to absolute chaos - time to get the hell out - if you have an education, ambition for yourself and your family, regardless of race - go elsewhere and leave Maori to govern themselves and to descend into tribal oblivion. Grant

*Absolutely not - concept is fine but why set up a new bureacracy to manage something already in place. Duplication by a bunch of newbies is just a disaster in waiting. Especially a 100% culturally based bureacracy, which is not outcome based. Cliff

*Australia is looking better & better. Maurice

*Why is ACT not being more vocal about this? Nigel

*AS if this greedy damn national govt will listen or take heed of petitions. Rick

This week's poll asks:

Are you supportive of the establishment of Whanau Ora?

*God No!! Separatism, separatism, separatism! After everything that maori people have been given, they prove over and over again that they don't make use of it anyway. If one set of rules is made then society just has to fall in line or miss out. It's an old fashioned method but it worked for centuries. All this "pandering" is dragging this country down. Peter

*This is an important issue and what National is doing is truly in pursuit of its perceived political advantage is truly dispicable. It requires a revolutionary approach. Any parent faced with sending a child to such schools has a moral obligation to break the law. Given the propaganda taught in most of todays schools (at all levels) this would be the majority. Michael

*We have paid and paid money to Maori for past injustices and the money was for them to use to help maori. The leaders used this money for themselves, it did not trickle to the Hapu. So now we pay yet again? How many agains? Deborah

*I can see a huge incentive for entrenching whanau in welfare dependency - the greater the problems, the more money the whanau hierarchy makes. John Key and co must have rocks in their heads to go with this scheme! Stewart

*No, it's racist and simply another rort that maori are using to fund iwi. Wake up National! JD

*Why on earth are National going with this scheme when the real answer - as they know - is to get people working. If people need extra help, case managers can provide it. Involving relatives is a recipe for disaster. Jim

*No, No, No - how will people learn to look after themselves when the state does everything for them. Whanau ora is a really dumb idea. Brian